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Title: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on November 16, 2012, 09:48:42 PM
I have not been able to find a suitable rear sight for a steel breech.  The gigantic micrometer sights are not acceptable to me.  If the Crosman breech had a normal dovetail slot there would be no problem.  Does anyone know the reason for the over sized slot ?  Also, could any of you expert metal carvers make a sight that would fit ?  I'm sure there would be a huge market for it.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: fast14riot on November 16, 2012, 10:04:00 PM
I made my own adjustable rear sight for the stock breech, it works well.  I have some ideas for a dovetail mount rear I may try carving out.  I've seen some people use a BSA sight, but not sure which one.


-Xander
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: breakfastchef on November 16, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
I am sure Crosman uses a proprietary dovetail on the rear of the breech so you have to buy a sight solution from them. Some people have had good luck using the inexpensive Industry Brand rear sight from Archer Airguns - http://www.archerairguns.com/Rear-Field-Sight-p/aarfsight.htm (http://www.archerairguns.com/Rear-Field-Sight-p/aarfsight.htm)

Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: BDS on November 16, 2012, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: 7624452 on November 16, 2012, 09:48:42 PM
I have not been able to find a suitable rear sight for a steel breech.  The gigantic micrometer sights are not acceptable to me.  If the Crosman breech had a normal dovetail slot there would be no problem.  Does anyone know the reason for the over sized slot ?  Also, could any of you expert metal carvers make a sight that would fit ?  I'm sure there would be a huge market for it.

What's a "normal" dovetail slot dimension? Seems to me that S&W are Diff than Colt which are diff than Sig, which are diff than Crosman etc.

Here's the Midway listing of the LPA sights (same maker as Crosmans)  http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=4294845840&newcategorydimensionid=1675 (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=4294845840&newcategorydimensionid=1675)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on November 17, 2012, 12:11:38 AM
Quote from: BDS on November 16, 2012, 11:29:47 PM
What's a "normal" dovetail slot dimension? Seems to me that S&W are Diff than Colt which are diff than Sig, which are diff than Crosman etc.

Here's the Midway listing of the LPA sights (same maker as Crosmans)  http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=4294845840&newcategorydimensionid=1675 (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=4294845840&newcategorydimensionid=1675)
That's a good point.  I would call the dovetail slot on a .22 PB to be normal to my perspective.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on November 17, 2012, 12:13:01 AM
Quote from: breakfastchef on November 16, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
I am sure Crosman uses a proprietary dovetail on the rear of the breech so you have to buy a sight solution from them. Some people have had good luck using the inexpensive Industry Brand rear sight from Archer Airguns - http://www.archerairguns.com/Rear-Field-Sight-p/aarfsight.htm (http://www.archerairguns.com/Rear-Field-Sight-p/aarfsight.htm)
It's OK to have a proprietary sight, the problem is that they do not have any for sale.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: droid on November 17, 2012, 12:26:52 AM
I found it cheaper to buy a steel breech (GMAC) that supported the standard rear sight.

Gary
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: cheewee on November 17, 2012, 01:25:35 AM
crosman is out of the lpa mim sights?
there web sight showed them as available the other day.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: YSYEO on November 17, 2012, 03:06:46 AM
Quote from: cheewee on November 17, 2012, 01:25:35 AM
crosman is out of the lpa mim sights?
their web sight showed them as available the other day.

If you click on it, it says "This Item is NOT FOR SALE", and has been saying that for some time now.

Pyramyd is taking pre-orders and is currently stating a ship date of 11-23-12.   That date keeps moving, though.
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Crosman_LPA_MIM_Rear_Sight_For_Crosman_Guns_with_a_Steel_Breech/4385 (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Crosman_LPA_MIM_Rear_Sight_For_Crosman_Guns_with_a_Steel_Breech/4385)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: chongman on November 17, 2012, 04:23:48 AM
From time to time a LPA mim sight pops up for sale on here. Keep a watch or post in the wanted section  :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: KevinP on November 17, 2012, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: chongman on November 17, 2012, 04:23:48 AM
From time to time a LPA mim sight pops up for sale on here. Keep a watch or post in the wanted section  :-*
:) indeed ..  :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Mark5043 on November 17, 2012, 11:30:20 PM
Quote from: breakfastchef on November 16, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
I am sure Crosman uses a proprietary dovetail on the rear of the breech so you have to buy a sight solution from them. Some people have had good luck using the inexpensive Industry Brand rear sight from Archer Airguns - http://www.archerairguns.com/Rear-Field-Sight-p/aarfsight.htm (http://www.archerairguns.com/Rear-Field-Sight-p/aarfsight.htm)

Thanks for posting this link chef...This looks like a good option... :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on November 18, 2012, 03:03:04 AM
I have two of them and they will not adjust low enough.  I will probably use them when I figure out a way to raise the front blade on a Chavka band.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Mark5043 on November 18, 2012, 03:46:35 AM
Oh,I see.I'm trying to visualize how one could raise the front blade on the Chavka band?
Hard to tell from the Pic of the Industry Brand Rear Field Sight,without seeing one in person,but I'm wondering if there's
enough material on that rear sight blade to remove some,and then notch it again,thereby leveling things out enough? I don't know..Just a thought... ???
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: mudduck48 on November 18, 2012, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: BDS on November 16, 2012, 11:29:47 PM
What's a "normal" dovetail slot dimension? Seems to me that S&W are Diff than Colt which are diff than Sig, which are diff than Crosman etc.

Here's the Midway listing of the LPA sights (same maker as Crosmans)  http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=4294845840&newcategorydimensionid=1675 (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=4294845840&newcategorydimensionid=1675)
normal to me is a Colt 1911 sight. I called Crosman and the nice lady I talked to said that they did not know when the LPA MIM sight would be in. She did not know why anyone there would let me pre-order one.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: JEBert on November 18, 2012, 08:07:27 PM
"Normal"?  Are the Crosman steel breech dovetails normal?
Anyone know how dovetails are measured and what is the size of the ones on the Crosman steel breech?  Or what other gun(s) has the same size dovetail?  If we want one bad enough to pay $70 to $80 w/shipping we need to know which one to order.
Seems to be a nice choice of whether you want dots, white outline or plain, and one or three different notch heights.  At least we know to get a low one we can and if by some strange coincidence it happens to be too low, we can file the front sight down.
Also, Midway USA'a website is showing 85 different LPA sights.  5 of them say "Available."  12 are Special Order 30 (or 60) + days", and the rest says "Out Of Stock, Backorder OK.
I've ordered a lot of stuff from Midway over the years but don't remember ever ordering anything on backorder.  Anyone know aproximately how long it would take to get in one if it gets backordered at Midway?
Just my $.02 worth.  It's a moot point for me though, I couldn't afford one from Crosman right now even if they did have them in stock.
Cheers,
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on November 18, 2012, 09:52:42 PM
Quote from: Mark5043 on November 18, 2012, 03:46:35 AM
Oh,I see.I'm trying to visualize how one could raise the front blade on the Chavka band?
Hard to tell from the Pic of the Industry Brand Rear Field Sight,without seeing one in person,but I'm wondering if there's
enough material on that rear sight blade to remove some,and then notch it again,thereby leveling things out enough? I don't know..Just a thought... ???
The only way I can think of to raise the sight is to file a groove on top of the blade and glue a piece of optical fiber on.  The Archer sight will not go low enough down.  I filed the notch down as far as it would go and it was not enough.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: JEBert on November 18, 2012, 11:19:22 PM
I  can pull the RD off of this and use the Archer Industry Brand rear sight and use a 6 O'clock hold at 5 meters using this MB and Crosman's tall sight pin  As long as the rear sight hangs off of the rear of the breech it will go low enough.
Cheers,
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on November 24, 2012, 01:07:24 AM
Pyramyd had projected the arrival of the sight to be 23 Nov, now they changed it to 5 Dec.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: cheewee on November 24, 2012, 02:34:46 AM
i came across a web site with the lpa sights the other day. will try and find it again.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 0351_Vet on November 24, 2012, 04:05:51 AM
Keep us informed.
I owe a friend an LPA that I tried to get off a new CCS and wrecked it trying to get it off.
Flippin lock-tighted or something?  ???
Keep us informed please. :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: cheewee on November 24, 2012, 05:24:35 AM
http://www.bbairsoftguns.com/airsoft-accessories/lasers-red-dots-iron-sights/crosman-lpa-mim-rear-sight-for-crosman-guns-with-a-steel-breech.html (http://www.bbairsoftguns.com/airsoft-accessories/lasers-red-dots-iron-sights/crosman-lpa-mim-rear-sight-for-crosman-guns-with-a-steel-breech.html)

"in stock" but i have not ordered yet so dont know.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: cheewee on November 24, 2012, 05:57:35 AM
oops..... :( seems like i just ordered the last one.
this is the other site that had them but can not get it to open at the moment.
www.sportsmans-depot.com (http://www.sportsmans-depot.com)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on November 24, 2012, 09:34:14 PM
it would be cool if the aftermarket breeches were made with a dovetail for the 1911 rear sights they can be had for a low price many different styles
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: chongman on November 24, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
Quote from: cheewee on November 24, 2012, 05:57:35 AM
oops..... :( seems like i just ordered the last one.
this is the other site that had them but can not get it to open at the moment.
www.sportsmans-depot.com (http://www.sportsmans-depot.com)

Ahh, cool..you are locked on for a LPA mim sight.



Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: PC77 on November 24, 2012, 10:17:58 PM
Quote from: 1377x on November 24, 2012, 09:34:14 PM
it would be cool if the aftermarket breeches were made with a dovetail for the 1911 rear sights they can be had for a low price many different styles

Midway sells  dovetail jigs or a gunsmith will cut dovetail for you for about 20.00.
pc
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on November 25, 2012, 07:57:11 AM
Quote from: PC77 on November 24, 2012, 10:17:58 PM
Midway sells  dovetail jigs or a gunsmith will cut dovetail for you for about 20.00.
pc
thats a lot of metal to remove and the breeches already have a dovetail cut out
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: DRAGON64 on November 25, 2012, 12:50:32 PM
I have been using the Williams blade rear sight with my Bluefork/Chavka front blade sight.  It mounts well, but does not seem to be quite ideal.  Because of how the sight mounts to the Crosman steel breech, the Williams sight will not lower past level.  At level, my PC77 is zeroed in at 25-yards.  Here is the sight mounted to my PC77...

(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd153/Johnnierkt/Crosman/IMG_4067.jpg)

This is as low as it will adjust...

(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd153/Johnnierkt/Crosman/IMG_4065.jpg)

You can clearly see that there is more adjustment based on the indicator hash marks...

(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd153/Johnnierkt/Crosman/IMG_4063.jpg)

Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: fivestar45 on November 26, 2012, 02:07:43 AM
I've found the LPA's too high for any of the front sights except when using a Disco front mount and sight.
Why don't you folks just cut a flat on top of the back end of the breech and use the OEM 2240 rear sight??
That's what I've done several times in the past.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on November 26, 2012, 04:03:55 AM
is it easy to do?
most folks assemble parts they dont get into the altering of parts
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: fivestar45 on November 27, 2012, 08:24:58 PM
I do it in a mini mill. But it could be done with a Dremel, some files, and some patients. Basically you're only cutting a flat that is a close fit to the front and back of the original plastic rear sight. The depth is determined by measuring from the sight base on an OEM 2240 to the bottom of the tube, and  then doing the same with a steel breech and subtracting the first from the second.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: droid on November 30, 2012, 10:41:34 AM
Quote from: fivestar45 on November 27, 2012, 08:24:58 PM
I do it in a mini mill. But it could be done with a Dremel, some files, and some patients. Basically you're only cutting a flat that is a close fit to the front and back of the original plastic rear sight. The depth is determined by measuring from the sight base on an OEM 2240 to the bottom of the tube, and  then doing the same with a steel breech and subtracting the first from the second.

Anthony, I bet someone with your skills could make a slide on rear sight with a longer screw that fits that rear curve on one of the steel breeches.

I modded a plastic one but one in alloy is a bit beyond me.

I would be up for a few of those type sights:-*

Gary
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: meak on November 30, 2012, 12:17:36 PM
I've just got one of these from uttings.
(http://images.uttings.co.uk/images/products/falcon/open-sights-for_B6A2326B_std.jpg)
They are for the falcon pistol. They are made for a slightly wider dovetail than on the crosman breech, but it shouldn't be too hard to knock something up to attatch it. Sadly the front site is for a 9mm barrel so that wont fit.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: fivestar45 on November 30, 2012, 02:23:53 PM
Gary, slipping a rear sight onto the top of the breech would result in needing a front sight that would be too ugly high to put on the gun. Cutting the needed flat for an OEM 22xx rear sight is easier than you'd think.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 05, 2012, 01:28:20 AM
PA just raised the price of an LPA MIM - maybe that means it might actually be in stock tomorrow.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: YSYEO on December 05, 2012, 01:55:11 AM
Sure am glad I pre-ordered before the price hike.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: cheewee on December 05, 2012, 02:10:06 AM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 05, 2012, 01:28:20 AM
PA just raised the price of an LPA MIM - maybe that means it might actually be in stock tomorrow.

have heard from a few people that the 5th is the expected date for restocking.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: mudduck48 on December 05, 2012, 05:50:38 AM
BLA,BLA,BLA,  QUACK, QUACK,QUACKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: YSYEO on December 05, 2012, 06:11:13 AM
Estimated in-stock date 12-19-2012
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: BDS on December 05, 2012, 02:59:25 PM
Here's a MIM sight alternative from our other post

http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,9472.msg109384.html#msg109384 (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php/topic,9472.msg109384.html#msg109384)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 06, 2012, 12:25:17 AM
I'm going to try the peep sight.  Looks like the LPA MIM sight is being developed by the same people as the Benjamin NP pistol.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: BDS on December 06, 2012, 04:03:05 AM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 06, 2012, 12:25:17 AM
I'm going to try the peep sight.  Looks like the LPA MIM sight is being developed by the same people as the Benjamin NP pistol.

Ya, that's prob a good idea Art, when Chongman and I were waiting (weeks) for our MIMs, the cust service gal at Cros siad they were going through them after Cros QC rejected the lot that LPA had sent (over 200 units).

I don't know if LPA factory has fixed the problems whatever they were but... the dates keep moving!
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 06, 2012, 04:26:45 AM
 I've just about finished with my custom shop 2300 .22.  The only thing else I need is open sights.  LPA MIM sights are not available anywhere, so I have ordered a Williams WGRS-54 peep sight to try out.  I have installed the 1701P grip frame and hammer assemblies.  I thought the hammer would be a drop in, but the 2300 tube has the breech screw in the rear position and I had to grind the top of the hammer to clear the screw.  I also installed a 2300S pressure adjust assembly, an extra barrel band, an Anthony R. stainless steel safety and extended probe brass bolt with stainless steel teardrop handle and hold open magnet and a custom stainless steel tri-wing end cap from mr007s.  I ordered it with RB grips, but I found I like the 1701P plastic grips better.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: BDS on December 06, 2012, 04:32:32 AM
Nice.. :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: droid on December 06, 2012, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 06, 2012, 04:26:45 AM
I've just about finished with my custom shop 2300 .22.  The only thing else I need is open sights.  LPA MIM sights are not available anywhere, so I have ordered a Williams WGRS-54 peep sight to try out.  I have installed the 1701P grip frame and hammer assemblies.  I thought the hammer would be a drop in, but the 2300 tube has the breech screw in the rear position and I had to grind the top of the hammer to clear the screw.  I also installed a 2300S pressure adjust assembly, an extra barrel band, an Anthony R. stainless steel safety and extended probe brass bolt with stainless steel teardrop handle and hold open magnet and a custom stainless steel tri-wing end cap from mr007s.  I ordered it with RB grips, but I found I like the 1701P plastic grips better.

Yes I like the new style plastic grips too.

Nice job.

Gary
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 06, 2012, 10:54:23 AM
Quote from: droid on December 06, 2012, 09:10:33 AM
Yes I like the new style plastic grips too.

Nice job.

Gary
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me too
getting my local crosman service station to order them has been like pulling teeth.it hasnt happened
i need to just give crosman another chance
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 07, 2012, 02:59:11 AM
According to PA, Crosman just rejected the latest batch and the shipment to Crosman will be delayed until 12/28/2012 and the projected availability date at PA will be 1/7/2013.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 08, 2012, 05:25:15 AM
i am thinking of doing what fivestar45 said
chop off the rear section of the steel breech and use the stock sight

fivestar45
if you do that is there enough adjustment to sight in properly?
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 08, 2012, 05:36:30 AM
It would be fairly easy to file down the steel breech, but to me it would be self-defeating.  The main purpose of the steel breech is to have better sights and I do not really want to use the old ones.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 08, 2012, 05:42:10 AM
i hear you there
that really bites about lpa sight
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 08, 2012, 06:03:17 AM
I'll have the Williams WGRS-54 peep sights in a couple of days.  Maybe they will work out.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 08, 2012, 06:06:57 AM
i see a lot of people use them with good sucess
they used to be the craze,i dont know when the lpa became the craze maybe when no one could get them any more i guess
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: fivestar45 on December 09, 2012, 01:22:16 AM
That WGRS54 is a rifle sight, and with a pistol barrel I'd think it might shoot very  high and require a very high front sight to compensate.
I wouldn't advise you to use the 1701P gripframe without using the flat bottom striker to go with it.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: fivestar45 on December 09, 2012, 01:32:25 AM
The OEM 22xx rear sight works just as it should, and has the same range of adjustment as long as you cut the flat on top of the steel breech to be the same height measurement that you get when measuring from the bottom of the tube to the sight flat of a plastic breech.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 09, 2012, 01:41:19 AM
im using a 1701 trigger group an most of my guns
in one gun i have the 1701 hammer,another gun has a custom hammer but it does not have a flat bottom and the other is a phase 2 1377 hammer assembly.so far all of them work great.the phase 2 1377 hammer needs more jbweld added to it but i wanted to use the gun so i just installed it the way it was modded but there is still a small lip that i want to cover.actually the 1701 hammer i have has flat sides the bottom is still rounded
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 09, 2012, 02:33:06 AM
Quote from: fivestar45 on December 09, 2012, 01:22:16 AM
That WGRS54 is a rifle sight, and with a pistol barrel I'd think it might shoot very  high and require a very high front sight to compensate.
I wouldn't advise you to use the 1701P gripframe without using the flat bottom striker to go with it.
I do not understand "flat bottom striker" could you please elaborate?  I have the same thing as in the picture that 1377x just posted, except I cut a notch in the top of the hammer to clear the rear mounted breech screw.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: mudduck48 on December 09, 2012, 03:25:56 AM
I think that I have the answer to the question, if anyone is intrested. " rear sight for the Crosman steel breech"
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Bill L. on December 09, 2012, 04:28:41 AM
Quote from: mudduck48 on December 09, 2012, 03:25:56 AM
I think that I have the answer to the question, if anyone is intrested. " rear sight for the Crosman steel breech"

?????
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: droid on December 09, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
Quote from: fivestar45 on December 09, 2012, 01:32:25 AM
The OEM 22xx rear sight works just as it should, and has the same range of adjustment as long as you cut the flat on top of the steel breech to be the same height measurement that you get when measuring from the bottom of the tube to the sight flat of a plastic breech.

I like the OEM sight best to be honest, just would be nice to have an alloy one or a brass one too. Hint Hint  ;)

I think is is nice to just upgrade the materials sometimes as I do like the standard look.

Gary
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 09, 2012, 05:22:47 PM
someone used to sell a brass rear sight cant recall who though
droid your good at greaing wheels im sure you could get one sourced ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: droid on December 09, 2012, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: 1377x on December 09, 2012, 05:22:47 PM
someone used to sell a brass rear sight cant recall who though
droid your good at greaing wheels im sure you could get one sourced ;D ;D ;)

Mr Stace makes one in brass, not seen one anywhere else. Not seen any ally ones either.

I bet Anthony could make some easy  ;)

Gary
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 10, 2012, 04:28:12 AM
Quote from: droid on December 09, 2012, 05:59:26 PM
Mr Stace makes one in brass, not seen one anywhere else. Not seen any ally ones either.

I bet Anthony could make some easy  ;)

Gary
there is someone other than stace that makes one i want to say airgunsmith but dont think thats who
its an old timer that isnt around any longer maybe rj machine
remember the memberthat made a nice rear sight from scratch not long ago around the spring summer time here
i think the blog spot might tell about the brass rear sights .i just can not remember
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Iagent on December 10, 2012, 07:51:25 PM
Grant Stace makes a nice brass one, but when he does a run, they go fast.
Crosman makes the next best thing, and it is for their notched out breech.  It's the lpa mim.  this lpa is good for my aging eyes.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: droid on December 10, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: Iagent on December 10, 2012, 07:51:25 PM
Grant Stace makes a nice brass one, but when he does a run, they go fast.
Crosman makes the next best thing, and it is for their notched out breech.  It's the lpa mim.  this lpa is good for my aging eyes.

I just like the classic look on some of my guns, I think I will get some made up over here in the UK.

Gary
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 11, 2012, 12:15:15 AM
 I received my Williams WGRS-54 rear sight and an extra fire sight aperture today.  It works perfect on my backpacker with a 760 fiber optic front sight.  I also tried it on my 1322 with Chavka sighted barrel band and it worked perfect on that one also.  The sight is very well made and seems to be exactly the right size for the Crosman steel breech.  The only slight problem is that the set screw goes into the dovetail notch and is a bit too short.  All I have to do is get a longer set screw next time I'm at the hardware store.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: YSYEO on December 11, 2012, 12:48:07 AM
The firesight looks good on there.  Do you have a link for it?
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 11, 2012, 12:55:32 AM
Quote from: YSYEO on December 11, 2012, 12:48:07 AM
The firesight looks good on there.  Do you have a link for it?
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm (http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: YSYEO on December 11, 2012, 12:57:58 AM
Thanks  :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: chongman on December 11, 2012, 01:47:58 AM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 11, 2012, 12:55:32 AM
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm (http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm)

Followed your link...that's the 70919 Fire Sight Ghost Ring Aperture $9.95 right?

When you get the longer set/grub screw can you please post the size?
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 11, 2012, 02:19:33 AM
Quote from: chongman on December 11, 2012, 01:47:58 AM
Followed your link...that's the 70919 Fire Sight Ghost Ring Aperture $9.95 right?

When you get the longer set/grub screw can you please post the size?
Correct. Shipping was $3.95.  I saw this after I already ordered the sight from Midway.  If you need the sight and the extra aperture both it probably would be cost effective to order them both from the factory store.   I'll post the size when I get the screw.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: chongman on December 11, 2012, 02:59:35 AM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 11, 2012, 02:19:33 AM
Correct. Shipping was $3.95.  I saw this after I already ordered the sight from Midway.  If you need the sight and the extra aperture both it probably would be cost effective to order them both from the factory store.   I'll post the size when I get the screw.

Thank you sir  :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: droid on December 11, 2012, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 11, 2012, 12:15:15 AM
I received my Williams WGRS-54 rear sight and an extra fire sight aperture today.  It works perfect on my backpacker with a 760 fiber optic front sight.  I also tried it on my 1322 with Chavka sighted barrel band and it worked perfect on that one also.  The sight is very well made and seems to be exactly the right size for the Crosman steel breech.  The only slight problem is that the set screw goes into the dovetail notch and is a bit too short.  All I have to do is get a longer set screw next time I'm at the hardware store.

I am liking that one  :-*

Gary
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: BDS on December 11, 2012, 02:34:40 PM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 11, 2012, 02:19:33 AM
Correct. Shipping was $3.95.  I saw this after I already ordered the sight from Midway.  If you need the sight and the extra aperture both it probably would be cost effective to order them both from the factory store.   I'll post the size when I get the screw.

Well done, thx for that info and report Art  :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: M2 on December 17, 2012, 06:24:49 AM
The mounting grub screw supplied by Williams with the WGRS-54 rear sight appears to be a 8-36 x 3/16(.1875)" cup point socket (headless) set screw (with a 5/64" Allen wrench socket). I haven't been able to find longer 8-36 set screws at my local hardware stores or gunsmiths.

It looks like what is needed is about an 8-36 x 9/32(.2812)" version of the same style screw, but I haven't been able to find that size listed anywhere online either, except apparently on some obscure Leica lens (fat chance...).

There are internet sources for 1/4 inch long screws, but it appears they'd be a little short on thread engagement in the sight body, and might strip when tightened securely. The next longer readily available size appears to be 5/16(.3125"), which is too long, and cup point screws are difficult to shorten properly (but not impossible).

Another possibility would be to fill the dovetail slot with a steel plug and use the original screw supplied by Williams.

Anybody have any other ideas?
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: YSYEO on December 17, 2012, 07:57:54 AM
Quote from: M2 on December 17, 2012, 06:24:49 AM
The mounting grub screw supplied by Williams with the WGRS-54 rear sight appears to be a 8-36 x 3/16(.1875)" cup point socket (headless) set screw (with a 5/64" Allen wrench socket). I haven't been able to find longer 8-36 set screws at my local hardware stores or gunsmiths.

It looks like what is needed is about an 8-36 x 9/32(.2812)" version of the same style screw, but I haven't been able to find that size listed anywhere online either, except apparently on some obscure Leica lens (fat chance...).

There are internet sources for 1/4 inch long screws, but it appears they'd be a little short on thread engagement in the sight body, and might strip when tightened securely. The next longer readily available size appears to be 5/16(.3125"), which is too long, and cup point screws are difficult to shorten properly (but not impossible).

Another possibility would be to fill the dovetail slot with a steel plug and use the original screw supplied by Williams.

Anybody have any other ideas?

The steel plug (or brass or aluminum or delrin) would be my choice.   It also protects the finish on the breech from getting marked by the screw.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Bill L. on December 17, 2012, 09:48:32 AM
Seems to have the LPA in stock---

http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-a-4385.html (http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-a-4385.html)

I have never bouhgt from them so I don't know how good thay are.Here is one in the UK---

http://www.sdcustomdesign.com/parts.htm (http://www.sdcustomdesign.com/parts.htm)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: droid on December 17, 2012, 09:54:18 AM
Hi Bill, SD Custom are showing them but have no stock.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: KevinP on December 17, 2012, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: Bill L. on December 17, 2012, 09:48:32 AM
Seems to have the LPA in stock---

http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-a-4385.html (http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-a-4385.html)


                                                                               
Crosman LPA MIM Rear Sight, For Crosman Guns with a Steel Breech    $44.95    1    In Stock    Unknown
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 17, 2012, 01:02:51 PM
pyramyd took the lpa off their sight from the looks of it
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 17, 2012, 09:49:36 PM
Quote from: 1377x on December 17, 2012, 01:02:51 PM
pyramyd took the lpa off their sight from the looks of it
Pyramyd shows current ETA of 7 Jan 2013.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 17, 2012, 09:54:38 PM
Quote from: KevinP on December 17, 2012, 12:35:11 PM
                                                                               
Crosman LPA MIM Rear Sight, For Crosman Guns with a Steel Breech    $44.95    1    In Stock    Unknown
They did not have any in stock as of 8 Dec.  I had an unpleasant experience trying to order from them.  The price was $34.95, they have now raised it to $44.95.  As far as I can determine, the marketing people have no way of determining what is in stock in their warehouse.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 17, 2012, 10:33:56 PM
I have also been unable to find an appropriate set screw.  The one that comes with the sight is just barely long enough.  I think filling the slot is a good idea - I'll try to find something to accomplish that.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Bill L. on December 18, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
I think I will try this folder.It might work well with my big scope.Just flip it up when I take the scope off.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/365177/marbles-69w-windage-adjustable-folding-leaf-sight-360-height-steel-blue (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/365177/marbles-69w-windage-adjustable-folding-leaf-sight-360-height-steel-blue)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 18, 2012, 02:45:58 AM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 17, 2012, 09:49:36 PM
Pyramyd shows current ETA of 7 Jan 2013.
can you post a link i cant find it
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 18, 2012, 02:53:52 AM
Quote from: 1377x on December 18, 2012, 02:45:58 AM
can you post a link i cant find it
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Crosman_LPA_MIM_Rear_Sight_For_Crosman_Guns_with_a_Steel_Breech/4385 (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Crosman_LPA_MIM_Rear_Sight_For_Crosman_Guns_with_a_Steel_Breech/4385)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: fivestar45 on December 18, 2012, 02:57:56 PM
Bill L...That flip up sight is for a 60deg dovetail. The OEM Crosman breech cut for the LPA sight is about 72-74 deg's. So be prepared to do some dressing to the breech dovetail. Let us know how it works out for you.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 18, 2012, 10:30:33 PM
The LPA MIM is now available at Crosman.  I just made a phone order and they added it to my order (part#2300-010).  I told them that they were not available when I ordered a custom 2300.  The web site shipping charge was almost sixteen dollars, so I passed that up.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: BDS on December 18, 2012, 10:44:15 PM
Quote from: fivestar45 on December 18, 2012, 02:57:56 PM
Bill L...That flip up sight is for a 60deg dovetail. The OEM Crosman breech cut for the LPA sight is about 72-74 deg's. So be prepared to do some dressing to the breech dovetail. Let us know how it works out for you.

With the no-recoil 22xx guns these sights are going onto, how about installing with a dab of silicone RTV to take up a lil space in the 72 deg dovetail? It can be wiped clean/flush with the receiver surfaces while still un-cured, and disolved/pushed-out later if the sight needs to come out?  After all, we are only talking a few degrees over a very shallow area? :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Bill L. on December 18, 2012, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: BDS on December 18, 2012, 10:44:15 PM
With the no-recoil 22xx guns these sights are going onto, how about installing with a dab of silicone RTV to take up a lil space in the 72 deg dovetail? It can be wiped clean/flush with the receiver surfaces while still un-cured, and disolved/pushed-out later if the sight needs to come out?  After all, we are only talking a few degrees over a very shallow area? :-*

That might work or mybe JBweld.If not I have a  mill ;).
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: BDS on December 18, 2012, 11:34:03 PM
Quote from: Bill L. on December 18, 2012, 11:29:05 PM
That might work or mybe JBweld.If not I have a  mill ;).

JB Weld? Yikes!

Go with the silcone RTV, I would hate to try to bang that sight out of it's slot once the JB weld is there  :D  (or do you mean fill and machine back to 60 deg?)
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Bill L. on December 19, 2012, 03:02:42 AM
Quote from: BDS on December 18, 2012, 11:34:03 PM
JB Weld? Yikes!

Go with the silcone RTV, I would hate to try to bang that sight out of it's slot once the JB weld is there  :D  (or do you mean fill and machine back to 60 deg?)

All jb is is epoxy with a  metal filler.Just heat it up (about 600 degres ) and it will pop lose.If it is a tight fit I may use locktite :).
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: bc5000 on December 22, 2012, 08:22:00 PM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 18, 2012, 10:30:33 PM
The LPA MIM is now available at Crosman.  I just made a phone order and they added it to my order (part#2300-010).  I told them that they were not available when I ordered a custom 2300.  The web site shipping charge was almost sixteen dollars, so I passed that up.

I had the LPA MIM in my cart at Pyramyd Air for a long time. Then they raised the price and I started kicking myself for not buying it already. But the system let me go ahead and checkout at the original price.

I called Crosman to see if they could ship the sight thru USPS since it would cost so much for ground, but they said no. If PA don't get them in before long I may just pay the extra $16 and order from Crosman.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: mudduck48 on December 23, 2012, 05:58:00 AM
Quote from: bc5000 on December 22, 2012, 08:22:00 PM
I had the LPA MIM in my cart at Pyramyd Air for a long time. Then they raised the price and I started kicking myself for not buying it already. But the system let me go ahead and checkout at the original price.

I called Crosman to see if they could ship the sight thru USPS since it would cost so much for ground, but they said no. If PA don't get them in before long I may just pay the extra $16 and order from Crosman.
Rumor has it if you call Crosman and ask for the Custom Shop, parts you can order that sight for only $4.00 shipping, rumor has it.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: bc5000 on December 23, 2012, 06:24:59 AM
Quote from: mudduck48 on December 23, 2012, 05:58:00 AM
Rumor has it if you call Crosman and ask for the Custom Shop, parts you can order that sight for only $4.00 shipping, rumor has it.

Thanks a lot, I will try that Monday.

Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on December 25, 2012, 04:57:38 AM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 18, 2012, 10:30:33 PM
The LPA MIM is now available at Crosman.  I just made a phone order and they added it to my order (part#2300-010).  I told them that they were not available when I ordered a custom 2300.  The web site shipping charge was almost sixteen dollars, so I passed that up.
I received the sight today with the rest of my parts order.  I have not mounted it yet, but it looks to be perfectly constructed and fits the dovetail notch exactly.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: BDS on December 25, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
Quote from: 7624452 on December 25, 2012, 04:57:38 AM
I received the sight today with the rest of my parts order.  I have not mounted it yet, but it looks to be perfectly constructed and fits the dovetail notch exactly.

good deal Art... the MIM is a nice piece of work, go slow finding/tightening the two mini socket heads that lock into the dovetail, they are straight on thru the holes when it's loose but tend to move off center a lil as the base moves/swings  into place, it's just how the design works.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: bc5000 on December 26, 2012, 07:45:24 PM
Quote from: mudduck48 on December 23, 2012, 05:58:00 AM
Rumor has it if you call Crosman and ask for the Custom Shop, parts you can order that sight for only $4.00 shipping, rumor has it.

Apparently it's just a rumor. I called the custom shop and was told they only ship UPS and the shipping cost starts at over $10. The actual shipping to me is $15.52.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 26, 2012, 08:17:51 PM
Quote from: mudduck48 on December 23, 2012, 05:58:00 AM
Rumor has it if you call Crosman and ask for the Custom Shop, parts you can order that sight for only $4.00 shipping, rumor has it.
thats only if you get ahold of the right person
otherwise
allegedly you need the serial number of your ccs gun to get ccs parts
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: bc5000 on December 26, 2012, 11:22:27 PM
Pyramyd Air is now showing in stock.

ETA: There office is closed due to the blizzard.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Daysailer on December 27, 2012, 11:49:08 PM
Sorry late to the party..

I have a Williams WGRS on my "mostly stock" 1377.

i modified the factory front sight by adding 3/32" of JBweld type epoxy to the top of the blade
and then shaped it with a file....not too much pressure
Still going strong 3000+ pellets and 2 years later.

I have used this pistol in the CAPOF matches
A search on this forum and the tech section should  turn up a description of how I made this extension.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 1377x on December 28, 2012, 07:31:05 AM
sweet!
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: mudduck48 on December 28, 2012, 06:20:27 PM
Quote from: bc5000 on December 26, 2012, 07:45:24 PM
Apparently it's just a rumor. I called the custom shop and was told they only ship UPS and the shipping cost starts at over $10. The actual shipping to me is $15.52.
I have received 3 shipments from Crosman since September and all 3 came USPS. Mayby they changed their policy on shipping.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: BDS on December 28, 2012, 06:23:36 PM
Same here, parts orders that included 3 sets of grips, and another that had 3 ea of the 2289 pumper handles, not exactly "flat" letter like pkgs and all were USPS $4 type shipments.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: Tater on December 28, 2012, 07:53:50 PM
Nice job on the site Daysailor. Looks good.  :-*
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: targettgii on December 29, 2012, 03:30:55 AM
I want to use the wgrs on my 1322 I think,don't know for sure still planning.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on February 15, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
I found some 8-36 that fit and bought some 3/8, but they are a bit too long - 5/16 should be right.
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: w9trb on February 21, 2013, 02:22:07 PM
I got the LPA MIM sight from Pyramyd. I must say it provides a very nice sight picture and goes on easily. Now, I just need to be a better shot!
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: KevinP on February 21, 2013, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: bc5000 on December 26, 2012, 07:45:24 PM
Apparently it's just a rumor. I called the custom shop and was told they only ship UPS and the shipping cost starts at over $10. The actual shipping to me is $15.52.

Funny thing is, they may ship UPS and USPS may end up with the delivery ... UPS delivers to the Post office now ...
I guess somehow it's cheaper ..... I have had a shipment come by UPS from PA. went to CT., to NJ. and then
to me in New York ... go figure ,,, ( if you look at the box you may see both stickers )
Title: Re: Rear sight for Crosman steel breech
Post by: 7624452 on February 22, 2013, 12:48:18 AM
The lowest priced options for Fedex and UPS are delivered by USPS in areas where it is cost effective for them.