Now available for the phase 2 Crosman pistol grip frame.
This system replaces the trigger,sear, and spring that comes stock in the 2240,2250,2300,2400 and 1377 pistol and carbine Crosman models.
If you have the newer phase 3 pistol and want a drop sear system for it, indicate that when ordering, they use a slightly different lever ( thinner ) .
here it is, the how to install the new system.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfusXLbaIUo#]drop sear trigger system.mpg[/url]
I posted about this a couple weeks ago, but had not done enough testing with it at that point, and did not actually have a trigger pull gauge at the time.
I must apologize to everyone for saying it had a 2 oz trigger......this is only what it felt like.
After getting the gauge I found the initial set up to have an 8 oz pull, but felt it was unsafe with that light of a tune.
I refined it all to get a 1 1/2 pound pull that will survive the most brutal slap to the rear and not have an accidental discharge.
Customers can always change out or modify the sear spring, and of course can adjust the first and second stage pull with the two set screws on their own.
However, it comes from my shop set at 1 1/2 LB.........and believe me, it feels like much less then that.
One of the best features about this is that you can have a real hot gun with a heavy hammer spring, but finally NOT have a heavy trigger pull.
ALL of my custom built guns will include this new trigger system ( pistols and carbines ) , rifles use the Marauder trigger pack.....no reason to re-invent the wheel there.
oh man. i just placed a order for a DC brass trigger too. i'm taking three of those trigger groups
I have a couple of DC stainless roller triggers that I will be selling......they were the best thing going, but are, in my personal and biased opinion, obsolete now.
Cothran might be making my triggers for this new system in the near future......I am making every part in this set right now, and it is way too time consuming....Cothran has high speed CNC machinery.... I just have a prototyping size CNC, no automatic tool changer and stiff like that.
I just have not had time to get some prints down to Don and talk with him about it yet.
so do you have any for sale?
Very nice trigger replacement i must have one.under 2 lbs thats mint.
Mike
my phase 2 grip frame looks different it doesnt have the solid mid/bottom section under the spring holder
will this set up still work?
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/edf73/P7110268.jpg)
Pretty sure what you have will not be a problem. It is only the newest frames where things get a little bit different.
My trigger set will be here Wednesday some time and I will be posting some more still pictures of the pieces.
Carl
Thanks for the video dt45acp. I thought you had trigger groups for sale. so what's the expected wait time? i guess i won't hold my breath? ;D :P
I have several sets ready to ship. I am also running my mill most of the day. Takes about 2 1/2 hours of machine time to cut the parts for a set, then there is finishing ( filing, sanding,bead blasting,heat treating,etc ) , so there is not a lot of pay per hour on these things and ends up that I can only complete about 4 sets a day with all the other air gun work I have.
My mill is running right now, most operations take at least 10 min, so I can mess on the computer or do other work while it is running a program, then out to change tools or work pieces.
I tried to get local machine shops to run these parts. That was a no go, the least expensive per hour shop wanted $140.00 a set.......Knowing that no one would pay much over the $75 each, I spent a couple weeks writing programing for my little machine. I burned through a lot of material and end mills getting it down just right, but I think it was all worth it to bring such a thing to market.
Very impressive Darren 8)
Quote from: dt45acp on February 28, 2011, 08:22:57 PM
I have several sets ready to ship. I am also running my mill most of the day. Takes about 2 1/2 hours of machine time to cut the parts for a set, then there is finishing ( filing, sanding,bead blasting,heat treating,etc ) , so there is not a lot of pay per hour on these things and ends up that I can only complete about 4 sets a day with all the other air gun work I have.
My mill is running right now, most operations take at least 10 min, so I can mess on the computer or do other work while it is running a program, then out to change tools or work pieces.
I tried to get local machine shops to run these parts. That was a no go, the least expensive per hour shop wanted $140.00 a set.......Knowing that no one would pay much over the $75 each, I spent a couple weeks writing programing for my little machine. I burned through a lot of material and end mills getting it down just right, but I think it was all worth it to bring such a thing to market.
I understand completely. I'm glad you took the time to make these. i'll take three sets. 8)
I CAN'T WAIT FOR MY NEW TRIGGERS! ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) :-* :-* :-* :-X
Quote from: airguns100 on March 01, 2011, 12:52:28 AM
I CAN'T WAIT FOR MY NEW TRIGGERS! ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) :-* :-* :-* :-X
Did you get you triggers yet? I got mine today and am in the process of installing it in a spare trigger frame. Well, maybe not at this exact moment because right now I'm typing a reply to this forum thread. LoL
Carl
Yours are on the way also. Fed Ex showed up here late this morning. Fed Ex guy just had to come in the shop and see what it is all about, I enjoyed telling him about all the airguns laying about, and he had a hundred questions, probably put himself behind schedule.
Quote from: quickster47 on March 03, 2011, 01:35:41 AM
Did you get you triggers yet? I got mine today and am in the process of installing it in a spare trigger frame. Well, maybe not at this exact moment because right now I'm typing a reply to this forum thread. LoL
Carl
I probably won't see my DST systems for another week or more as payment was just sent tuesday. i'm anxious to get working (polishing) two of the triggers and tune them in to their new homes. 8)
Quote from: dt45acp on March 03, 2011, 08:31:02 AM
Yours are on the way also. Fed Ex showed up here late this morning. Fed Ex guy just had to come in the shop and see what it is all about, I enjoyed telling him about all the airguns laying about, and he had a hundred questions, probably put himself behind schedule.
;D
thanks darren. :-*
Still haven't received my trigger groups from Darren yet. ???
Quote from: airguns100 on March 17, 2011, 05:15:28 PM
Still haven't received my trigger groups from Darren yet. ???
That is what happens when you live on top of a mountain in Mongolia, things take time. ;)
Quote from: justforfun on March 17, 2011, 05:24:55 PM
That is what happens when you live on top of a mountain in Mongolia, things take time. ;)
Thanks Roy.
I feel like i'm living in outer space some times waiting for deliveries ;D I spoke with darren and he said give it a few more days.. hopefully they'll be here tomorrow.
Rye, I had the same thing happen with Darren and the exact same response. After a couple more days he ended up sending me another set by UPS, which still took another 3 or 5 days. Which to me meant...
Carl
you both live out in the sticks !
For some reason, things take a lot longer to get from My part of Oregon to anywhere else in America, let alone out of country.
Well I couldn't wait any longer, I ordered a set last night! I am excited to try it out. I don't think there made yet but should be this week. Those who have them what do you think? Been looking around for some users reviews not come across any yet. Will search more after this post.
Quote from: dt45acp on March 17, 2011, 08:01:17 PM
you both live out in the sticks !
For some reason, things take a lot longer to get from My part of Oregon to anywhere else in America, let alone out of country.
They arrived Darren. :-*
Quote from: bryman021 on March 20, 2011, 04:18:12 PM
Well I couldn't wait any longer, I ordered a set last night! I am excited to try it out. I don't think there made yet but should be this week. Those who have them what do you think? Been looking around for some users reviews not come across any yet. Will search more after this post.
If your using any type of after market grip ie. RBgrips, expect to remove a small square section of wood inside the grip to screw the grips back together perfectly with the frame. It took about five minutes with a moto tool to remedy that.
I installed the group without adjusting either one of the two set screws and it functioned flawlessly. I'm very pleased with the fact I can breath on the trigger to complete the action. I had to bump the back of the gun to make sure it didn't go off accidentally.
When i have more time i will play around with the set screws and spring length "not that it needs any", just because that option is tangible. Over all five stars. 8)
-Rye
Glad they finally got to you.
I have another lever and post design now for those using the Crosman shoulder stock, as it would be too hard to make an adjustment to the stock with a moto tool.
The shoulder stock is flat, and so will hold the post in place, unlike Crosman factory grip panels that are hollow inside.
Also, this new post and lever could be used in custom aftermarket grips like Rick's or RB's if the owner does not want to mod their wood like airguns100 did.
So how do the triggers work any vids.
Mike
OoooOOOoooOOOO Want one of these bad. Any chance of shipping them to the UK?