http://www.crosman.com/blogs/croswords/?p=1490 (http://www.crosman.com/blogs/croswords/?p=1490)
Hint* look at the adults
No safety glasses !
Yepper, A picture is worth 1000 words!!!
8)
and on Crosman's site. I have to call a shame on them for that one.
What about the kid?? I don't see any eye protection there either :(
Let me quote:
QuoteUSSAââ,¬â,,¢s Trailblazer program serves as an introduction to the thrill of outdoor sports and the importance of conservation. All activities are conducted under the supervision of experienced Trail Guides with an emphasis on safety.
FAIL :P
I don't see any picture ... did they take it off already?
They sure did!!!
probably because Eric and I both commented on the facebook post. :)
keep putting them on
Quote from: Darth on March 01, 2011, 02:45:19 AM
I don't see any picture ... did they take it off already?
they removed it from the page but not the server. here is one of them. the other picture had the adult with his sunglasses on top of his head.
(http://www.crosman.com/blogs/croswords/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/244327806.jpg)
thats it. ;D :-*
Quote from: Darth on March 01, 2011, 02:45:19 AM
I don't see any picture ... did they take it off already?
Quote from: ChokingVictim on March 01, 2011, 03:45:06 AM
probably because Eric and I both commented on the facebook post. :)
funny how you can do that,but what is seen is never forgotten ;) :)
Also if you look to the right of the kid i see safety glasses
I don't shoot with glasses. I hope noone ever publishes a picture of me shooting!
At least there are a pair of glasses on the table. Given the benefit of the doubt, perhaps the picture was taken while dry firing and or prefiring the gun? Then somehow it made it into the final edit. Oops!
~Falcon
You know, probably the ONLY time I'd bother with eye protection (other than my normal specs) is when I was shooting on a short, indoor range with a youngster.
Generally, there's a lot of hysteria about eye protection and air guns, but in this context there IS a real ricochet hazard.
Amazing companies can slip up this way! ;D
I ALWAYS wear safety glasses. I had a rebound shot (BSA 0.177 cadet rifle) as a kid hit me on the cheek (face cheek that is!) just below my eye ;) - close call.
That was many moons ago now before safety was a subject. No mentor, no internet, no money or sense! Now everything's 'Health & Safety Crazy'! But specs are a must!
Firing an M9, the shells would rebound off the booth wall back at me hitting my face again! Kakked myself the first time! ;D Specs on though! Phew! :o
The shell casings were meant to bounce off the wall into a bin, in theory. ???
Cheers :-*
I've had them bounce back and hit me pretty much everywhere except my eyeballs. I've caught them in my nose, my cheeks, my forehead, my knees, my stomach, etc., but I just don't like shooting with glasses. None of the ones that hit me were going fast enough to even hurt, but I konw if I got hit directly in my eye it would be very bad.
I keep it an unbreakable solid rule that kids have to wear glasses anytime they're out with me, if they are shooting or if I am.
When adults are out with me I leave it up to them to wear glasses or not. Noone ever has though.
Watch, I'll wear glasses today just for shts and giggles and I'll end up with a shattered lens and 2 saved eyeballs just 'cause I said it!
i know i should wear safety google after i took a shot form a .22 rimfire ricochet directly to the eyeball
not much harm was done still have 20/20 vision luckily.
the only time i really use goggles is when i am working under cars :-[ i'm able to matrix move out of the way ricochet pellets :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: 1377x on March 01, 2011, 03:36:54 PM
i know i should wear safety google after i took a shot form a .22 rimfire ricochet directly to the eyeball
not much harm was done still have 20/20 vision luckily.
the only time i really use goggles is when i am working under cars :-[ i'm able to matrix move out of the way ricochet pellets :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
WOW your very lucky with the rimfire ricochet! ;) You should do a matrix pellet dodge movie clip! LOL ;D
Quote from: 1377x on March 01, 2011, 03:36:54 PM
:-[ i'm able to matrix move out of the way ricochet pellets :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
I was just thinking, "He moves like THEY do!"
:D
I agree not everyone wears them. However a company stressing on safety should take the precautions to reassure their course is safe. While eye injuries are rare with shooting, you only get 2 and it only takes one mistake by you or someone else to lose one.
X2
I'm always wearing glasses to see but I wonder what the real dangers are. In a short range situation, it might be pretty fair. At longer ranges? I'm not so sure.
Let's say you're shooting lead at 20 yds. You've got to hit something that will cause a ricochet. That's going to absorb a lot of energy and deform the pellet which will now be tumbling. If you are shooting with a mv of 600 fps, what's the speed at 20 yds? My calculator has it at 467 fps. On the trip back, assuming no loss of energy from tumbling and from impact at the ricochet point the pellet would be at about 365 fps. I think we can safely assume that the ricochet is going to steal at least 150fps and the tumble would take even more. Now you're under 200 fps, which is less than skin breaking speed.
I'm thinking that if you shoot lead at at least 20 yds, you've got little to worry about. If you're shooting bb's however, I'm thinking you want to wear glasses all the time. :O
I guess for me shooting is currently close range and indoors so I must have protection. :( or 8)
The BSA cadet (cheek shot) wasn't a close range shot and it was outdoors.
One in a million angle that returned it almost parallel to its outgoing trajectory! :o
Literally hit my cheek resting against the stock of my shooting eye! ;)
It didn't brake the skin but broke my indestructible attitude towards life.
The pellet may not be able to brake the skin but how about the impact with a ball of squishy jelly? ;)
Plus it would depend on the pellet type, weight et cetera...
I remember a member said BB's can return faster than they go away?
Quote from: Mebits on March 01, 2011, 04:21:25 PM
I'm always wearing glasses to see but I wonder what the real dangers are. In a short range situation, it might be pretty fair. At longer ranges? I'm not so sure.
Let's say you're shooting lead at 20 yds. You've got to hit something that will cause a ricochet. That's going to absorb a lot of energy and deform the pellet which will now be tumbling. If you are shooting with a mv of 600 fps, what's the speed at 20 yds? My calculator has it at 467 fps. On the trip back, assuming no loss of energy from tumbling and from impact at the ricochet point the pellet would be at about 365 fps. I think we can safely assume that the ricochet is going to steal at least 150fps and the tumble would take even more. Now you're under 200 fps, which is less than skin breaking speed.
I'm thinking that if you shoot lead at at least 20 yds, you've got little to worry about. If you're shooting bb's however, I'm thinking you want to wear glasses all the time. :O
i dont think goggles could have helped him at any distance :(
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc#]Guy hit in head with .50 caliber ricochet[/url]
Quote from: NorthStaR on March 01, 2011, 04:44:06 PM
The pellet may not be able to brake the skin but how about the impact with a ball of squishy jelly? ;)
Plus it would depend on the pellet type, weight et cetera...
I remember a member said BB's can return faster than they go away?
We can calculate it pretty accurately, I think.
I'll agree with you that any pellet with enough energy to get back to your face is a pellet you don't want in your eye. I'm just saying that it'll be almost impossible to put an eye out with most guns and most pellets at ranges beyond 20 yds. BB's we can jsut plan on them coming back at us (which is why I haven't shot one in 35 years. ) :)
What speed were you shooting at and what range?
shoot at golf balls and see what happens
He meant that sarcastically...don't really do that.
And use bb's. And make sure you have no insurance (Life, health, nor disability). And no eye protection.
</sarc>
Doh!
Quote from: Mebits on March 01, 2011, 05:19:41 PM
We can calculate it pretty accurately, I think.
I'll agree with you that any pellet with enough energy to get back to your face is a pellet you don't want in your eye. I'm just saying that it'll be almost impossible to put an eye out with most guns and most pellets at ranges beyond 20 yds. BB's we can jsut plan on them coming back at us (which is why I haven't shot one in 35 years. ) :)
What speed were you shooting at and what range?
I was about 14 at the time.....20+ years ago..... so for speed I couldn't tell you but it was about 20 metres or so. This is purely a guess as it was many many moons ago. I don't doubt your math or logic but it was a freak incident that i learnt a lesson from tis all! :-*
Just saying it could happen. ;)
Its just so easy to put them on,so why would someone not do something so easy to save there eyes, thats what it all boils down to.And if Tom did not Care about has fellow shooters he would have not posted it.
Mike
Quote from: Crosshairs on March 02, 2011, 02:28:34 PM
Its just so easy to put them on,so why would someone not do something so easy to save there eyes, thats what it all boils down to.And if Tom did not Care about has fellow shooters he would have not posted it.
Mike
I'm sure he was just trying to make a spectacle of us! :D
The reasons for not wearing them are likely to be as follows:
#1 Forgot to bring them
#2 Don't like how they look/feel
#3 Can't see through them well in certain lighting (probably due to dust)
#4 Pain to keep clean/unscratched
I ran into these issues on a construction site. I wore mine as often as I could, but I'd always be fighting with seeing through them in certain light and keeping the dust off/out of them. The benefit was, crap stayed out of my eyes. It was a great habit to have Bear in mind, mine were prescription safety glasses.
Today, unlike when I was young, you can get pretty good and good looking safety glasses for almost nothing. In amber, you're going to get better vision too. You can keep a couple new pairs around as back up, in case your primary gets scratched, sat on, or even dirty. If I didn't already wear glasses, I'd keep safety glasses around/on all the time.
Quote from: Crosshairs on March 02, 2011, 02:28:34 PM
And if Tom did not Care about has fellow shooters he would have not posted it.
Mike
:-* :-*
I work in a machine shop and always wear then. Learned my lesson when I was younger. Had a jewelers screwdriver shatter and about a 1/4" long peice of the shaft stuck in the white oof my eye. :-X
All better now, but that kind of hurt is still fresh in my memory. Yep, I like safety glasses!
Rich
I've had about 3 pieces of "stuff" drilled & picked out of my eyes over my lifetime.
I'm still real bad about wearing them, but I try ... especially when I'm grinding. Grinding has been the majority of my "eye incidents".
Darth
I have a healthy respect for grinders!!! What I really hate is wire wheels!
I worked in electro/mechanical assembly for a while and I worked with a number of handtools including grinders, sanders, saws, etc. One day I was deburring a metal enclosure for a sub-assembly with a round file. The file slipped and hit me right in my eye, glanced off and slid alongside. I was not hurt and no slivers were found or felt after a very thorough eye washing. I did not have on safety glasses. I was very fortunate and I learned a valuable lesson that day. Now I always wear safety glasses when called for. I like being able to see! An eye is a terrible thing to waste!
~Falcon
Yup, I think apart from what is common sense regarding wearing specs it would seem to be the age old issue of humans. ???
Until something happens to you it doesn't bother you. Its also like being told as a kid "Don't do that". Well what happens, you do, you get burnt and a lessons learnt.
I guess for me, I'm a Retoucher by trade and my eyes are my main tools so I'm gonna to protect them. 8)
no trade + no money = No more Crosman Fun :( If that doesn't sway you nothing will! ;D
Cheers :-*
I just almost caught a ricochet with my ear about 5 minutes ago. I was checking to make sure I sealed the transfer port in my 2240 since it slipped and was leaking air yesterday. I shot at a can on the ground about 20 feet in front of me, and ZZZZIIIIIIINNNNNNGWWWWIIIIINNNNGGGGG - - -was all I heard as a Diablo Exact Jumbo Exact whizzed past my ear. I'm pretty sure I felt the air move from it, it was that close.... AND yes, it would have DESTROYED my eyeball if it had hit it. I'm positive, because the pellet kept going and hit a fence that was another 20 feet behind me.
Scary stuff.
Lucky Woody67! :D
SO you didn't have your ear muffs on?! :o
Hey, since so few people actually wear their safety glasses while they shoot, maybe one of you would like to donate your pair to me?
I don't have a pair...
While I think wearing safety glasses is a good thing (and I do), I'm always PO'd by the reaction of some people who think you are a horrible person if you don't (I'm not calling out anybody here, just as a general overview). The safety police, if you will. That crap drives me insane. In 20 years it will probably be a law to wear a full face helmet and body armor while operating your car, and whe world will look back at us in 2011 and think what careless cretens we were 'back then'.
I ride my bicycle around my town all the time and never wear a helmet, never have. Over the years I've gotten comments from some of the 'serious cyclist' who ride in full spandex thinking they're Lance Armstrong. I've got several several witty responses that tactfully say "F*** off and mind your business". They're usually the same A-hole yuppies who finish riding their bicycle, put it on the rack of their luxury import SUV then are texting somebody while driving away...yes I've seen it happen.
Just incase you meant me (paranoia! :-[ ), please don't don't brand me as 'Safety Police'! ;D
My remarks are just my opinions and nothing more. :-*
At the end of the day all its down to is how much you value your sight! 8)
I generally judge something by "is the risk worth the reward".
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. A Doctor Pepper moment! :-*
All said and done we all would give up a arm or a leg to keep there sight tell me if im wrong.
Mike
well without sight there is no more gun fun, so that must be an easy one right?
Quote from: Oane on March 03, 2011, 10:15:38 PM
well without sight there is no more gun fun, so that must be an easy one right?
you would think ,right ?
Quote from: NorthStaR on March 03, 2011, 08:18:30 PM
Just incase you meant me (paranoia! :-[ ), please don't don't brand me as 'Safety Police'! ;D
My remarks are just my opinions and nothing more. :-*
At the end of the day all its down to is how much you value your sight! 8)
I generally judge something by "is the risk worth the reward".
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. A Doctor Pepper moment! :-*
No sir, I wasn't calling out you or anybody here but society at large. Actually, I'm not sure I even got to your post before responding :D
Quote from: eric on March 03, 2011, 10:17:18 PM
you would think ,right ?
I work with students in a kitchen and know enough of people to know that they do not always do the logical and/or safe thing.
this afternoon one of them put a plastic rack in a 240 Celsius (464 F) oven so it could hold some food, and three other students where standing around the oven asking each other what was smelling funny, and none would look into the oven.... makes you wonder what they do in higher education....
Quote from: gipper51 on March 03, 2011, 10:32:51 PM
No sir, I wasn't calling out you or anybody here but society at large. Actually, I'm not sure I even got to your post before responding :D
No worries, my fault! ;)
Quote from: Oane on March 03, 2011, 10:52:36 PM
I work with students in a kitchen and know enough of people to know that they do not always do the logical and/or safe thing.
this afternoon one of them put a plastic rack in a 240 Celsius (464 F) oven so it could hold some food, and three other students where standing around the oven asking each other what was smelling funny, and none would look into the oven.... makes you wonder what they do in higher education....
ooops!!! :o :D :D yeah i'm sure we've all had our moments ;) :P :-[ :)
Who knows. Maybe shooting would be even more fun if you were blind.
It definitely would be more of a challenge to hit your mark, 'cause all you'd have to aim with would be sounds and smells.
Maybe you could have a special shooting range made up where all the targets moved around and randomly made loud beeping noises or sprayed out obnoxious odors, and you would have to shoot them to make them stop making noise or spraying stinky odors. Maybe they could spray fabreeze after you shot them just to get rid of the stink they put out. And it wouldn't have to be just for blind people. Regular seeing people could play too. Just bring a blindfold!
I know that no blind people are reading this. If you are not blind, and know someone who is, please present this idea to him or her, and see if they like it. Maybe it's something we could get into works, perhaps even turn it into an olympic event someday. In all honesty though, it's probably better suited for the special olympics.
In regards to woody67
The time is now, I must act fast and turn him.
Give your self to the Dark Side ... Darth Woody
(It did make me laugh)
And I thought I had a "dark" sense of humor
Darth
Whats he been smoking? ;D
Funny you said that, cause I had actually just finished using my Volcano right before I typed that!!!!
ROFLOL!!! ;D
On the line of safety glasses....
I bought some 'Thunder Bolt" (precharged) 13gr heavy zinc pellets. I was testing them at perhaps a closer range than I would intend use them.
I shot one indoors and missed the target and hit my backstop. The rifles sighted in so I guess it could be classed as a flyer? Perhaps just a crappy shot! ;D
Anywho the pellet went in about 5mm and then shot back and hit the rest I was shooting (luckily) from behind. It came back about 12 inches lower but very fast and hard. Luckily I had this giant thai pillow bed as a rest like sandbag. I froze and kacked myself as behind me is a fish tank with 1/2 ton of water in it!!! BIG lesson learnt! :o I know - 'what was he thinking!!!' Not much it seems but I do have a very limited area to shoot. I have since changed rooms but now I have a glass wardrobe behind me! No other options currently, glass everywhere but at least the cupboard won't leak. ???
I've never had a lead pellet return, only bbs previously. The zinc ones act like bbs. So just a warning to others really - zinc is a boomerang pellet!
I was shooting at a lizard with my 2240 with a 14.65 inch barrel yesterday, and the Co2 had juust started to lose a little pressure---my shot hit just under the lizards belly right at the corner of the board he was sitting on. The pellet strike sent enough FPE's through the wood and into the lizard to kill it without even breaking it's skin. Kind of impressive, considering the lizard was only 2 inches long and wasn't damaged on the outside of it's body at all.
Anyway, the pellet didn't stick into the wood...maybe because the power started to drop or because it hit dead on the corner...but it bounced back and hit me in my face just under my eye in the cheekbone/orbital bone area.
And nope, I still wasn't wearing safety glasses. Maybe I should buy some.
Anyone remember the movie Christmas Story? You'll shoot your eye out!
I always use glasses when at the range. Had a 22 bounce back while shooting in a bowling pin league.
Caught it in the leg. Got lucky I guess.
Wonder why I don't wear them in my basement range?
Good thread. I will remember to use them next time.