Here in Germany airgun suppressors are legal, and there are many options for Crosmans from U.S. and European suppliers. I wold prefer to purchase one that is serviceable and has a metal tube that members here have found to be the most effective in sound moderation. I see the brand DonnyFL showing up frequently, and the Sumo and Tanto models being perhaps the most mentioned. Any advice on what would be the ultimate moderator for a 2300 series pistol as far as brand and model? Thanks for your input! :)
The HW airgun muzzle brake in my collection is most silent, https://www.versandhaus-schneider.de/product_info.php/products_id/41051 , but I rather opt for a small and light one, I have a small custom built one and recently the small SWS airgun muzzle brake https://www.versandhaus-schneider.de/product_info.php/products_id/25218 which isn't most silent but does the job
If you need an adapter https://www.versandhaus-schneider.de/product_info.php/products_id/34051
Thanks for your input Brutuz!
I am favoring silence over weight, so I do not might something a bit heavier. YouTube might have a few comparison tests, so I will check there too. I do want a serviceable moderator, as I would like to test out a few hypotheses like replacing some of the packing with Sorbothane.
I do not like the grub screw attached adapters.
I would thread the barrel 3/8"x24 tpi, and make an appropriate adapter.
HI CraigH! Yes that would be the best way to do it. I am going to source a LW barrel for a 2300S and the supprrssor would be more effective without an adapter. I plan to mount a Leupold FX-2 4x28 on the pistol, and will go this route...
I don't own a Crosman that has a threaded barrel, so all of mine either have adapters or shrouds.
I'm fond of Matt Winser all-delrin "pickles".
Fabulous machining and finish.
My Weirauch with caps my machinist friend made for me.
Also, I don't own Crosmans with threaded barrels, so they're either with adapters or are shrouded.
Thanks for the images Crossliner. Your guns are stunning with the polished brass. How about posting a image of the gun on the last photo you posted, the one on the left? :)
Thanks.
I left these 2 in Asia, my homeland.
WOW! Super nice looking guns, and I bet that they shoot as nice as they look. Thanks for posting! :)
To add to the mix, Terry at Buck-rail.com has designed a metal adapter for Crosman barrels so his 1/2-20 polycarbonate muzzle brake can be screwed on. I just ordered one for my 2300S that's getting a new 2 stage grip frame and new grips for Christmas. Might not suit your needs but might be worth a look. Cheers
Quote from: crossliner on December 13, 2023, 06:35:18 PM
Thanks.
I left these 2 in Asia, my homeland.
Nice air stripper on the lower pistol!
Quote from: CraigH on December 16, 2023, 12:16:06 AM
Nice air stripper on the lower pistol!
It's a Hatsan AS I had redone, Craig sir.
Had the housing powdercoated 'cuz the anodizing was subpar.
Also had extra cones made in brass and stainless.
Good morning, afternoon, or evening. Maybe I should take this to another placein the forum, but woud you please let me know about the DELRIN suppressors? How would they compare to say a DonnyFL creation? As it pertains to suppressing airguns, silence is golden!
Matt Wonder is in the UK, and I doubt if he caters to non- UK customers 'cuz he did refuse me when I ordered some when I relocated to the US.
A friend bought the 4 for me and sent it to Asia.
I could send you his email addy if you want it.
The DFL Tanto ( I own 2) is a heavy piece for a pistol.
Unfortunately, I did not get to compare them due to geographical locations, obviously.
Attached to a C02 pistol, their performance should be about the same depending on the Matt LDC's size.
They come in 1" and 30mm and come in threaded or slip-fit.
They're a sealed vessel though.
What's the performance of the Delrin muzzle brake like compared to DonnyDL and others which are coveted by the airgun community? I saw one that is adjustable in that two hex screws tighten the attachment area around the gun's barrel.
I have a slip-on TKO muzzle brake which I do not use on my 2300S because I use open sights.
But it is very quiet.
Thank you for your input on the muzzle brake. I have plenty of time to decide what to get, but it's hìgood to know that the TKO's are silent.
I heard that the 2300S's iron sights are good. What's your take on them? I was thinking on placing a 4X fixed sope on the pistol, but it's probably not at all needed for 10 meter target shooting and occasional longer shots for plinking.
I used to order many things from e-Bay UK, but ever since Brexit the German Customs have been holding packages hostage for a ludicrous % of the packages value. They'd love air gun parts. ;D
Quote from: Drdan on December 16, 2023, 04:37:38 PM
What's the performance of the Delrin muzzle brake like compared to DonnyDL and others which are coveted by the airgun community? I saw one that is adjustable in that two hex screws tighten the attachment area around the gun's barrel.
The DFL Tanto and the 30mm MW delrin LDC has about the same sound-mitigating prowess.
I have a 1/2x20 threaded TKO as well.
It's louder then my Tanto.
TKOs do not have the finish that Matt Winser LDCs have.
This is from someone who is also very meticulous.
My TKO with a foam Sleeve from Atlantis Fitness.
I sleeve my pickles.
The short and fat one is the Tanto.
The foam sleeves certainly offer protection, but do they also augment the sound suppression?
Protection, yes, and a bit of sound suppression probably :-\
They're pre-cut with nice edges; wire or laser.
The ones wrapping the Tanto and the AUO (the longest of the 3) are for AR applications, particularly for buffer tubes, hence very dense.
DonnyFL suppressors are said to use felt wrapping in the inside of the tube. I have an hypothesis that Sorbothane (a visco elastic polymer), would be even superior, and getting a DonnyFL muzzle brake would give me the opportunity to experiment.
I use Sorbothane insoles in all my shoes and while running. It supposedly absorbs 94.7% trauma, and while walking or running the difference is immediately experienced. Deformation of the insole causes molecular friction with the release of heat (hysteresis). It's a pretty amazing and inexpensive material, and has many applications.
Maybe makers of air gun moderators can custom make Sorbothane sleeves if the material proves to be effective in sound suppression.
Quote from: Drdan on December 16, 2023, 07:03:59 PM
DonnyFL suppressors are said to use felt wrapping in the inside of the tube. I have an hypothesis that Sorbothane (a visco elastic polymer), would be even superior, and getting a DonnyFL muzzle brake would give me the opportunity to experiment.
I use Sorbothane insoles in all my shoes and while running. It supposedly absorbs 94.7% trauma, and while walking or running the difference is immediately experienced. Deformation of the insole causes molecular friction with the release of heat (hysteresis). It's a pretty amazing and inexpensive material, and has many applications.
Maybe makers of air gun moderators can custom make Sorbothane sleeves if the material proves to be effective in sound suppression.
I have sorbothane pads from GodAGrip.
They're mostly cheek pads to increase cheek weld.
I doubt if sorbothane will work as felt replacement 'cuz it's not porous enough, but I could be wrong though.
There was an Airgun Nation guy who mentioned something about neoprene being the best.
I just Googled "Sorbothane" and "muzzle brake" and found the information below. I did not make an in depth search, but it may be effective for a moderator. I examined my Sorbothane insoles and the material is denser than Neoprene. I know that on e-Bay you can purchase sheets of it in various sizes and thicknesses of about 1/8" or 3.75 mm. I'm sure thinner sheets are available.
I remain intrigued about its use in a muzzle brake, and will probably get a DonnyFL Sumo unless I read a review that rates another serviceable muzzle brake higher... I'd also experiment with OOOO steel wool, brass wool, and other materials.
Here's the model of Sorbothane insoles I've been using for years. I recommend the CUSH N STEP version. Your feet and entire skeletal system will thank you. :-*
Sorbothane might work if it is a thin enough version.
I think the Sumo is too large (and heavy) an LDC for your pistol.
You might want to look at Hugget.
The Weihrauch Mod Brutuz mentioned is actually very effective and light, albeit "longish".
I happen to own 2 of them, but they're both in Asia (Philippines) along with my other AG stuff:
(https://i.imgur.com/C4NH5nr.jpg?1)
My quietest is the UK Neil (also in the Asia), but it is heavy with its brass inserts; also rated for rimfire:
(https://i.imgur.com/qVwiLVO.jpg?1)
A metal plater polished it for me :-\
(https://i.imgur.com/XRUo0Pf.jpg?1)
The Weihrauch has a very matte (ugly for me) tube though, so I polished it with Autosol to bring out a satin sheen:
(https://i.imgur.com/cN1DsYk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3Wb6x60.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Cc3niMv.jpg)
My AUO (Airguns Use Only) LDC has a very matte tube too, but I did not polish it, just sleeved it:
(https://i.imgur.com/1QUcCXL.jpg?1)
Fantastic machining and finish on the AUO, and the 1/2x20 UNF threads is much smoother than my twin Tanto's.
They were a bargain at $60 shipped, but they are no more.
They were sold by a GTA member who resides in Vegas.
Wow; thanks for the functional eye candy. 8)
Quote from: crossliner on December 16, 2023, 09:11:38 PM
I have sorbothane pads from GodAGrip.
They're mostly cheek pads to increase cheek weld.
I doubt if sorbothane will work as felt replacement 'cuz it's not porous enough, but I could be wrong though.
There was an Airgun Nation guy who mentioned something about neoprene being the best.
The GodAGrip sorbothane cheek pad I was talking about:
(https://i.imgur.com/f9VomHO.jpg?1)
Quote from: crossliner on December 17, 2023, 04:48:48 PM
Sorbothane might work if it is a thin enough version.
I purchased some 1.5 mm. thick sheets of sorbothane on e-Bay, and will do some experimentaton to see if it makes DonnyFL's suppressors quieter... I can make a snug fitting tube of Sorbothane around the muzzle brake's baffles, and close the seam with a quality adhesive like Parex's Extreme repair. I can cut a 15.0 cm. long, 1.0 cm. wide strip of the sorbothane and split the strip into a 15.0 cm. long 1.0 cm. wide 0.75 mm. thick length of Sorbothan to cover the seam, affixed again with Patex glue.
I don't have a leather splitter, but a Goulian dermatome would be much sharper, and being that Sorbothane is visco-elastic, I am sure I can get a more precise split. I can mount the strip on a piece of glass and find a way to keep the knife flat and cut evenly through the Sorbothane. I'll post the results once the pistol is delivered.
Teun Meen said I am on a waiting list, so I might not have the pistol in hand for 10 weeks. :-X
(https://i.imgur.com/qVwiLVO.jpg?1)
A metal plater polished it for me :-\
(https://i.imgur.com/XRUo0Pf.jpg?1)