I thought that I was going to be able to resist both the temptation and peer pressure RE:NOT upgrading any of my Crosman airguns. I was doing pretty good for a while. I figured that 459MT Intermount dovetails would be fine for my pumpers. Actually, they were! I had both a Crosman & a Daisy "Red Dot" sight mounted up using the Intermounts. For the price, they did pretty much what they said they would. They did elevate the sights a little more than I liked. Had more of a "chin weld" instead of a cheek weld on the stock. Still, I was able to be consistently accurate using them. Anyway, I was ordering some parts earlier this month and the order was a bit skimpy. I like to have my S & H be 10% or less. On a whim, I told Sally, "what the heck gimme a couple of those things, one in .177 & one in .22" (didn't actually say it that way but I did order one of each). FYI since they are considered accessories, they ship from a different warehouse that the parts portion of the order BUT Sally told me that there would still only be one $4 S & H charge. Posts by others led me to believe otherwise. They came about a week later. The breeches on one day and the parts on the next. Believe it or not, I didn't rush on down to the "Man Cave" and mount them up :o. I had a few others things going on. Finally got one on my $40 Amazon "American Classic" and a few days later put the other one on my BackPacker. I'm sure no one will be surprised when I say that "steel breeches for the Crosman 13xx & 22xx series air guns is really an awesome upgrade!" The heft alone that they add is impressive. The ability to mount various high-end sights as well as scopes is a definite benefit but I do wish they would have made it easier to use the stock sight that came with the gun. So here's a pic of my current favs sporting their "new breeches".
(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g362/topgas1/Air%20Guns/DSCN5525.jpg) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/topgas1/media/Air%20Guns/DSCN5525.jpg.html)
The BackPacker was previously upgraded with the 14.5" barrel (maybe that's called backbred?) and now has a Gamo 4x20 TV WA scope that I harvested off a recent find. The American Classic has the screw on stock and currently has the Daisy Electronic (Red Dot) sight atop the steel breech. The steel breech gives them both a look and feel that really appeals to me. I think that others feel the same way about this "accessory" for the air guns that we all love so much. I suppose that there are a few (maybe many) out there that are saying "what took him so long?" Well I'm here now! Flex
Looking good man, both of them. I wish I would have only had to pay $4 shipping on mine that I ordered from Crosman.
You are preaching to the choir, Flex. Breech upgrade is one of those mandatory things that just make the gun better in many ways. Both good looking shooters, too. I am afraid you are going to be upgrading the optics sooner than you think.
Looking good flex. :-* I'm with 28 wish I knew about calling in orders before I bought the breech off of Crosman's website.
Sally,Sally, ahhh, Sally. I like Sally. She is the one!!! :-\ Sally is the one that gave me THE number for the Crosman backpacker forarm. 1389-025. Because of Sally you all now have the new forarm. She went out of her way, last year, to find the new number that was no where anywhere on the net. And as soon as I got off the phone with her, you all had that number. Thank you Sally ;) :P
Quote from: bgmcgee on May 15, 2013, 04:51:24 AM
Looking good flex. :-* I'm with 28 wish I knew about calling in orders before I bought the breech off of Crosman's website.
I called mine in with an order for a few barrels and other things. I was still charged $4 shipping for the barrels and other stuff and $12 shipping for the breech. BUT, I didn't talk to Sally.. ???
nice. soon you'll want to install a flat top piston, then maybe a nice variable A.O scope, and a wood stock, and maybe polish her down a bit, and .......
yeah, its a addiction.
Quote from: Baltim0re28 on May 15, 2013, 05:09:28 AM
I called mine in with an order for a few barrels and other things. I was still charged $4 shipping for the barrels and other stuff and $12 shipping for the breech. BUT, I didn't talk to Sally.. ???
Funny thing is, when I made the call, I was just going to check on the availability of some parts for an older 760 that I thought would be in the "obsolete" mode. When I found that they still carried most of what I was looking for, I decided to place the order. I was just going to order one steel breech but "went crazy" when she assured me that the S & H would be only $4 for the entire order! Flex
Your pumpers look awesome and a fine upgrade you made indeed IMO the breech and a trigger are two of the best things you can do to improve your guns it will keep that barrel secure for that optic you want without worrying about the barrel shifting side to side and a smooth trigger will improve your shooting. The next thing i would do is change the barrel bands this will lock the front of the barrel up and pumping wont loosen it up like the plastic BB does. Nice job :-*
Mike
Great job. We knew you would eventually succumb to the 'Steel' desire and update your guns. Took a little longer but it happened.
Nice set up on both guns. :-*
Carl
Sometimes I feel like the good ol' engineers at Crosman woke up one day and were like "Ermagherd, PLASTIC!" And they just went nutso incorporating plastic parts into as many aspects of the gun as possible. The breech, the trigger assembly cover, and especially the barrel band do NOT need to be plastic. The stock I don't mind because its still durable and lightweight. But yea, they diffinitely start looking and feeling like a man's gun when you put that steel breech on.
Quote from: Flex on May 15, 2013, 04:28:19 AM
I thought that I was going to be able to resist both the temptation and peer pressure RE:NOT upgrading any of my Crosman airguns. I was doing pretty good for a while. I figured that 459MT Intermount dovetails would be fine for my pumpers. Actually, they were! I had both a Crosman & a Daisy "Red Dot" sight mounted up using the Intermounts. For the price, they did pretty much what they said they would. They did elevate the sights a little more than I liked. Had more of a "chin weld" instead of a cheek weld on the stock. Still, I was able to be consistently accurate using them. Anyway, I was ordering some parts earlier this month and the order was a bit skimpy. I like to have my S & H be 10% or less. On a whim, I told Sally, "what the heck gimme a couple of those things, one in .177 & one in .22" (didn't actually say it that way but I did order one of each). FYI since they are considered accessories, they ship from a different warehouse that the parts portion of the order BUT Sally told me that there would still only be one $4 S & H charge. Posts by others led me to believe otherwise. They came about a week later. The breeches on one day and the parts on the next. Believe it or not, I didn't rush on down to the "Man Cave" and mount them up :o. I had a few others things going on. Finally got one on my $40 Amazon "American Classic" and a few days later put the other one on my BackPacker. I'm sure no one will be surprised when I say that "steel breeches for the Crosman 13xx & 22xx series air guns is really an awesome upgrade!" The heft alone that they add is impressive. The ability to mount various high-end sights as well as scopes is a definite benefit but I do wish they would have made it easier to use the stock sight that came with the gun. So here's a pic of my current favs sporting their "new breeches".
(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g362/topgas1/Air%20Guns/DSCN5525.jpg) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/topgas1/media/Air%20Guns/DSCN5525.jpg.html)
The BackPacker was previously upgraded with the 14.5" barrel (maybe that's called backbred?) and now has a Gamo 4x20 TV WA scope that I harvested off a recent find. The American Classic has the screw on stock and currently has the Daisy Electronic (Red Dot) sight atop the steel breech. The steel breech gives them both a look and feel that really appeals to me. I think that others feel the same way about this "accessory" for the air guns that we all love so much. I suppose that there are a few (maybe many) out there that are saying "what took him so long?" Well I'm here now! Flex
You can't imagine how I felt when my 1st Crosman steel breech landed on Philippine shores :D
I'll put one on every gun I buy! Last gun I ordered it with the gun! Far better support!
They look good best of luck with them!
CW
:-\ :-* :-* both of them!
Those are a couple of nice shooters Flex and yeah the steel breech actually any breech other than the plastic stock one is a must have. :-* :-* :-*
Plastic breeches are always the first thing to go for me.
I was suffering with the stock plastic. one for awhile before I switched to steel recently. it does add a considerable amount of heft. to the gun, but makes it steady.
A couple of quick questions for those of you with lots of experience with the steel breeches. 1st, is there any reason that the 1377 kit comes with a replacement rear breech screw and the 2240 kit doesn't? Both went together just fine and both shoot just fine too! 2nd, for those that use the black steel bolt that comes with the kits, is there an issue with the handle coming off at an inopportune time? (like when out in the woods). Is it advisable to put a bit of loc-tite on the threads? Thanks. Flex
Quote from: Flex on May 16, 2013, 02:10:49 AM
A couple of quick questions for those of you with lots of experience with the steel breeches. 1st, is there any reason that the 1377 kit comes with a replacement rear breech screw and the 2240 kit doesn't? Both went together just fine and both shoot just fine too! 2nd, for those that use the black steel bolt that comes with the kits, is there an issue with the handle coming off at an inopportune time? (like when out in the woods). Is it advisable to put a bit of loc-tite on the threads? Thanks. Flex
The 1377 breech has a wider OD then the 2240 breech OD,if your concerned about the bolt in the woods bring a extra one and some tools you wont need many or have another back up gun.
mike
Use some of the non-permanent loctite.
Quote from: Crosshairs on May 16, 2013, 02:26:11 AM
The 1377 breech has a wider OD then the 2240 breech OD,if your concerned about the bolt in the woods bring a extra one and some tools you wont need many or have another back up gun.
mike
I'll stand corrected immediately if I'm mistaken, but I thought that the only difference between the steel breech kits for the .177cal guns and the .22cal guns, was the bolt that came with them and even then, the difference there is only at the very tip. To be sure, I went down to the Man Cave and measured the OD of both breeches; they were within a couple thousandths of each other (0.744"-0.746"). Then I measured the stock bolts. They were essentially identical except for the tips and the O-rings that seal the breech. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding RE: my question. I put the steel breeches on my BackPacker and American Classic. I don't have a 2240 but the steel breech part # for the .22cal guns is 2240SBPK (I'm sure it fits on a Crosman 2240 tho). I thought that the rear breech screw might need to be shorter because the sight is no longer there but it's the same configuration on the BackPacker and I used the stock screw on that gun. Since they both seems to work fine, I guess I was just curious. Flex
Nice looking pair! Its all down hill from here though and since the parts are really cheap its a very slick slope. Lol my rocommendation for the next project is worth its weight in gold and best of all can be free! Work the trigger over real good to get all the slop out and lighten it up. Will make a ton of difference in accuracy too! Good luck dude.
I have always thought that Crosman's steel breeches are all the same and the only difference is the bolt and that the bolt needs to be matched to the barrel caliber. I have mixed and matched a few of them and as long as I put a .177 barrel with a .177 barrel and a .22 bolt with a .22 barrel, they have all worked out just fine. However, as far as the rear breech screws go, the original screw that goes through the original plastic sight has always been too long. I have even had a rear screw that came with a steel breech kit turn out to be too long but I thought it was because I ordered it as a 2240SBPK and put it on a 1377 and the fact that the 1377's air tube and rear tube cap is a smaller diameter that the screw was too long and caused the hammer spring to bind. Now I always check the screw length and usually use an aftermarket Allen-head screw and cut/grind it to length myself.
Bottom line is; make sure it is not interfering with the hammer spring.
Cheers,
I used the same long breech screw and just put a washer under it and it seems to work nicely.
It actually chrony'd a few fps slower after I replaced the spring, but the difference was negligible. It doesn't appear that the long screw binding the spring effects velocity, but it does make the cocking a little smoother.
First steel breech I installed I did it without the rear sight and the original screw was in the spring which stopped me from being able to cock the gun. Drove me nucking futs for about 20 minutes pulling it apart over and over. Now when I replace one I cut about 3/8 of an inch off with the dremel. Put a nut on it first then cut and dress the end then when you take the nut off it will help perfect the threads on the way off preventing cross threading.
And if you do booger up the screws the ones that hold lights and ceiling fans up are the same thread as the rear breech screws. Just cut to fit.
As for the breeches I have swapped them from my 1377 to both of my 22xx guns and vise versa to see what all the caliber and barrel length combos would do. They all swapped out seamlessly.
Crosman breeches, plastic as well as metal ones have the same radius, and are made for models using CO2 cartridges, like the 2240 and 2300. They're not intended for the variable pump-guns such as models 1377 and 1322 as these have a lesser body diameter. Breeches simply don't fit well. Any one noticed this?
It's actually pretty outrageous, they never bothered manufacturing a breech for the 1377/1322.
Quote from: uncletom on March 03, 2024, 09:42:21 PMCrosman breeches, plastic as well as metal ones have the same radius, and are made for models using CO2 cartridges, like the 2240 and 2300. They're not intended for the variable pump-guns such as models 1377 and 1322 as these have a lesser body diameter. Breeches simply don't fit well. Any one noticed this?
It's actually pretty outrageous, they never bothered manufacturing a breech for the 1377/1322.
Cannot disagree - it would only be a matter of using a different diameter ball end mill. But they don't move about - on my one example, a 1322 carbine which I rarely shoot. Most of my CAPOF guns are 22xx pistols and carbines. I would be interested in knowing of experiences of steel breeches, kit or OEM, on 13xx guns which may impart more stress on the platform due to pumping. But I have seen (with modest experience) no issue pumping 25 times with the 1322 that has an FTP.
Well, pumping does not affect the breech in any way, these are two individual functions. How do you mean?
Quote from: uncletom on March 03, 2024, 09:42:21 PMCrosman breeches, plastic as well as metal ones have the same radius, and are made for models using CO2 cartridges, like the 2240 and 2300. They're not intended for the variable pump-guns such as models 1377 and 1322 as these have a lesser body diameter. Breeches simply don't fit well. Any one noticed this?
It's actually pretty outrageous, they never bothered manufacturing a breech for the 1377/1322.
I'm not exactly sure of what is meant when you say "Breeches simply don't fit well."? I have steel (OEM / Crosman) breeches mounted on my 1377 & 1322 and had no issues either installing them or with their use on the pumper platform. Perhaps you could explain in more detail what you meant.
Quote from: Flex on March 09, 2024, 03:54:26 PMexplain in more detail
Ofcourse. Looking at both pistols from the side we notice that the diameter of the main tube (body) has a larger diameter on the Crosman 2240, than on the 1377 and 1322 pump-guns.
IMG_1401.JPG
Taking another look from the rear at each gun, because the breeches are identical (these are the plastic type) they fit differently. On the 2240 it fits flush and nicely together as the radius of the breech's bottom follows the diameter of the pistol body.
IMG_1404.JPG
Since the 1377 / 1322 have a smaller body diameter, this breech does not fit perfectly. It is still usable and mounts well with exact match of screw holes, and being mechanically compatible. However, it does not mate with the bottom of the breech very well.
IMG_1405.JPG
And the same goes for the metal breeches, as they are intended for the larger diameter body of the 2240 and 2300, the CO2 type guns, the breeches *could* fit the 1377 and 1322 too, however with the difference in diameter of body the radius of the breech bottom will only fit perfectly on the CO2 type pistols.
Let me know if you'd like further explanation.
So, I do understand your explanation of the situation related to the differences in the tube diameters with that of the 2240 and the 13xx series. I just now went to the "man Cave" and checked my 1377 & my 1322 that both were outfitted with a steel breech from Crosman. I'm just not seeing as much "gapage" as you seem to be experiencing. I'm not saying that you're not seeing the differences you describe just that I'm not. I've never considered my upgrades to meet Swiss watch precision. I do suppose that it's possible that the milling of the breech has changed (different milling machine, different contractor etc) over the years. I purchased mine perhaps 10 years ago. Also, this is the first discussion that I recall RE: this issue. If this is a new issue that might explain that. I'm also pretty sure if the issue existed 10+ years ago, there would have been plenty of discussion on this forum. It's possible though, that I either missed it or chose not to care.
Quote from: Flex on March 15, 2024, 07:40:29 PMchecked my 1377 & my 1322 that both were outfitted with a steel breech from Crosman. I'm just not seeing as much "gapage" as you seem to be experiencing.
I see. Ok, you say that your breeches have less gap on the sides then? Or none at all? I'm curious, please cold you take a photo of your 13xx Crosmans with steel breech from the rear?
I mean, if it works it's good. The Crosmans are quite basic air guns, there's no real need for higher precision. Only, I'm used to powder-guns where even older stuff is dependant on a tight fit. There there's alot of power involved so you need a solid, well made peice. Though I should perhaps not compare the two categories, twas only an observation.
Quote from: uncletom on March 18, 2024, 05:17:32 PMI see. Ok, you say that your breeches have less gap on the sides then? Or none at all? I'm curious, please cold you take a photo of your 13xx Crosmans with steel breech from the rear?
I mean, if it works it's good. The Crosmans are quite basic air guns, there's no real need for higher precision. Only, I'm used to powder-guns where even older stuff is dependant on a tight fit. There there's alot of power involved so you need a solid, well made peice. Though I should perhaps not compare the two categories, twas only an observation.
I will get a few pics and post them but it won't be this weekend, sorry. Earlier in this thread, when I pulled the 1377 & 1322 out of the locker to check for the gap, I thought about using a feeler gauge for a precise measurement but didn't have the time to dig out the gauge. Perhaps I'll do that in addition to the pics. Sound good?
Yes please take some close up photos of your breeches at rear, just where you can see the breech meet the main body is where the gap will be most visible. Take your time, we're not in a hurry.
Here are a couple of pics of my 1377. The concave arc on the steel breech mates nicely with the convex arc of the tube! There may be a very slight amount of "gapage" but the arcs of each appear to be parallel IMG_0224.jpegIMG_2024-3-26-182054.jpeg
Thanks for great photos. Now this is interesting, seems your breech fits perfectly. I can't see any gap whatsoever.
When were your 1377 made? Is it an older model, or newer? And did you convert it to steel breech, it had a plastic breech when bought? Could you please measure the diamater of the main body of your 1377 to check if it's not by any chance wider than other Crosmans 1377?
This means that there are either breeches that are specifically made for the 1377, or that some 1377 have a wider body like the CO2 guns from Crosman. I'm confused.
I measured my Crosmans outer diameter of main body, 2240 and 1322. Both are new, bought online here in Sweden from an outdoors and sporting goods store. I figure these would be of a newly manufactured batch as they come these days.
IMG_1453.JPG
and here's the difference (in mm, and inch). We clearly see why the breech should have different radius on the mating side with the main body.
IMG_1456.JPG
I just don't understand why they sell steel breeches ".. for Crosman 2240 and 1322", for the same gun as they clearly will have a different fit depending on the model.
Steel breech advert.jpg
And here's what it says on >> Crosman's page << (https://www.crosman.com/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
"Now you, the airgun hobbyist, can attach your favorite dovetail accessories to your 2240, 2250, 2260, 2289, 1322, and C362 airgun. This Steel Breech kit not only has a superior look, but it alleviates the need to purchase separate parts. With an all-steel construction, it provides durability which in turn may improve your accuracy. With just the use of the two hex wrenches included and a flat-head screwdriver, this breech will be attached and ready for your accessories.
Does NOT support mounting of original rear sight
WILL support mounting of the LPA MIM sight
Dovetail groove
This kit may be attached to Crosman airgun model numbers 2240, 2250, 2260, 2289, 1322, and C362"
So they say that same breech "may be attached to" both a 2240 as well as a 1322. I will be emailing them about it.
Well, I agree that this is an interesting situation. I took measurements of my older 1377 (2nd variant), 1377c, 1322c, 2289 (BackPacker) and 2240 (backbred to .177cal) and found that all of the tube diameters were very similar to the measurements that you obtained (perhaps a few hundredths of a mm different). The diameter of the steel breeches on each (except for the 1377(2nd variant) that is still with its OEM breech) all measure ~18.88 (+/- a few hundredths) mm. You didn't post the diameters of yours but I would imagine that the measurements would be similar. Are the steel breeches that you bought an actual Crosman product? I.E. made in the USA and imported to Europe or manufactured elsewhere? That may be the issue.
I was wondering if, in fact, there's a different breech for the 1377? I can't imagine that though since the tube diameters for the 1377 & 1322 are the same. If a product is said to fit models 2240, 2260 & 1322, it should also fit on model 1377.
As I said at the beginning of this reply, "this is an interesting situation".
Quote from: Flex on March 27, 2024, 03:07:08 PMWell, I agree that this is an interesting situation. I took measurements of my older 1377 (2nd variant), 1377c, 1322c, 2289 (BackPacker) and 2240 (backbred to .177cal) and found that all of the tube diameters were very similar to the measurements that you obtained (perhaps a few hundredths of a mm different). The diameter of the steel breeches on each (except for the 1377(2nd variant) that is still with its OEM breech) all measure ~18.88 (+/- a few hundredths) mm. You didn't post the diameters of yours but I would imagine that the measurements would be similar. Are the steel breeches that you bought an actual Crosman product? I.E. made in the USA and imported to Europe or manufactured elsewhere? That may be the issue.
I was wondering if, in fact, there's a different breech for the 1377? I can't imagine that though since the tube diameters for the 1377 & 1322 are the same. If a product is said to fit models 2240, 2260 & 1322, it should also fit on model 1377.
As I said at the beginning of this reply, "this is an interesting situation".
A quick postscript. A discussion on the Gateway to Airguns forum, dealt with this issue. The reply stated that the Crosman breeches are made to fit the tube on the 2240 (and the others with the same diameter tube) but that they will fit the 13xx series. The issues that you are experiencing is mentioned with the fit on the 13xx series pumpers. The post was from just over two years ago. Why the breeches on my airguns seem to fit better is still a mystery.
Quote from: Flex on March 27, 2024, 03:30:10 PMWhy the breeches on my airguns seem to fit better is still a mystery.
Thanks for measuring your guns, and posting. I just measured the steel breeches (pipe diameter) of my 2240XL and my 2300S, both measure the same which is 18,95 mm, that is the smaller pipe of which the breeches are made. Though its diameter is of less importance than the radius of its mount (milled) surface that then attaches to the main body of the gun.
I brought the matter to Crosman's attention and have already received a reply. My question was:
"Hello, I wonder why you sell the "CROSMAN .22 CAL STEEL BREECH KIT" with information that it will attach to both the 2240 and as well as the 1322 models, as they clearly have different diameter of outer body. Mounting the steel breech on a 1322 will leave a gap along the sides as the body of a 1322 has a smaller diameter than the 2240.
Are there steel breeches with two different radius for either the 13xx series pump-guns, or the 22xx series CO2-guns?"Crosman's reply was:
"Hello Thomas, Yes, the tubes are slightly different size but it is still compatible and will function on both models."So my conclusion is that todays breeches are exactly the same, with difference only in the bolt depending on what caliber it's for, and that your 1377 is an older model with an older type breech that was made for the thinner pipe diameter of the pump guns 13xx series. I guess they cut the cost of manufacturing the pump guns by using the same breeches on 13xx and 22xx and 2300 models. Infact it annoys me deeply.
For record I will share my correspondence here in this matter. I've just made a small request to Crosman regarding revising the 'new' design of their American Classic:
"Thank you for your prompt reply.
Then I understand why the available breeches have poor fit on the 13xx pump-guns. It is unfortunate. So, I have one request for you. Respectfully, will you please consider manufacturing additional breech types, both plastic and of steel, that will fit the 13xx pump-guns, I have seen photos of older 1377 models with a steel breech that has a perfect fit ontop the pipe.
I understand that it is a matter of cost and for that reason a simplified design has been implemented. However, Crosman air guns have a long history of great products, in particular the American Classic pump gun, which is why it would bring me, and fellow enthusiasts, great joy to see the American Classic assembled of parts that would not easilly give away any compromise such as the gap between the breech and the main body.
If you would please see to it that my request is forwarded to the proper instance, thank you."
Let's hope they will accommodate.
Silence this far.
I'm still hoping.
TBCH, I believe that your chances of getting Crosman to introduce a steel breech that better fits the 13xx series pumpers is remote but there is no harm in pursuing the issue. Have you considered having the ill-fitting breech milled for a better fit? Having some steel removed from the middle of the radiused portion of the breech might allow the gap at the edges to appear less obvious but, of course, it won't ever be perfect. I do realize that milling a breech made for a 13xx to better fit a 22xx CO2 model would have better results.
Am I correct in your belief that, in the past, either there were breeches made specifically for the 13xx series airguns? Or that the valve tubes on older 13xx airguns had a larger diameter than the current 13xx series airguns?
Quote from: uncletom on April 02, 2024, 10:19:34 AMSilence this far.
I'm still hoping.
Do you own a 1377?
I checked mine, as I have several in OEM and aftermarket in stainless (Don Cothran), especially the 22xx ones.
I also own OEM and Don Cothran breeches, and I just could not see the point of your complaint about the "gapage" 'cuz there is none that I could see.
The breeches, OEM and Don's, don't look off atop my 13xx tube nor on the 22xx ones, and no, I don't have a plastic breech for reference; I probably gave them away.
Anyway, it actually looks, the steel breech being of smaller diameter than both tube sizes, better on the 13xx's and more proportioned, IMHO.
On the other hand, the 17xx breech, i.e., PROD and 1701P/1720T, were definitely and perfectly made for the 22xx/17xx tubes (they're identical in diameter).
Out of curiosity, I tried it on a 13xx tube, and I certainly saw the "gapage", lol!
Quote from: crossliner on April 03, 2024, 01:24:29 AMDo you own a 1377?
I checked mine, as I have several in OEM and aftermarket in stainless (Don Cothran), especially the 22xx ones.
I also own OEM and Don Cothran breeches, and I just could not see the point of your complaint about the "gapage" 'cuz there is none that I could see.
The breeches, OEM and Don's, don't look off atop my 13xx tube nor on the 22xx ones, and no, I don't have a plastic breech for reference; I probably gave them away.
Anyway, it actually looks, the steel breech being of smaller diameter than both tube sizes, better on the 13xx's and more proportioned, IMHO.
On the other hand, the 17xx breech, i.e., PROD and 1701P/1720T, were definitely and perfectly made for the 22xx/17xx tubes (they're identical in diameter).
Out of curiosity, I tried it on a 13xx tube, and I certainly saw the "gapage", lol!
A few comments / questions.
As I mentioned in an earlier post to this thread, I too, am not seeing the degree of "gapage" that uncletom is describing. The photos that I posted of my airguns show a near perfect fit.
It was mentioned that a breech for a 17xx series pellet gun was mounted on a 13xx valve tube AND the "gapage" was present. Are the breeches for the 17xx models significantly different than those for the 22xx & 13xx series models? Answering my own question, that appears to be the case! It seems then, that uncletom has somehow received (erroneously) the wrong breech. Is this a possibility? It certainly would explain his situation.
Quote from: Flex on April 03, 2024, 04:15:52 PMA few comments / questions.
As I mentioned in an earlier post to this thread, I too, am not seeing the degree of "gapage" that uncletom is describing. The photos that I posted of my airguns show a near perfect fit.
It was mentioned that a breech for a 17xx series pellet gun was mounted on a 13xx valve tube AND the "gapage" was present. Are the breeches for the 17xx models significantly different than those for the 22xx & 13xx series models? Answering my own question, that appears to be the case! It seems then, that uncletom has somehow received (erroneously) the wrong breech. Is this a possibility? It certainly would explain his situation.
Flex sir, 17xx breeches are totally different and cannot be mounted on either tubes; it has 4 anchor points, the front ones "impale" the valve through the tube for more security, you know, being a PCP.
Sorry if I wasn't too clear, but I just chose to mention it as reference to tube and breech symbiosis. It is a wide and tall breech specifically made to mate perfectly with the 17xx tube diameter---also 7/8" like the 22xx's.
Anyway, I was just curious why UT was too concerned about the so called discrepancy, hence the query if he owns a 13xx.
Quote from: crossliner on April 03, 2024, 06:51:25 PMFlex sir, 17xx breeches are totally different and cannot be mounted on either tubes; it has 4 anchor points, the front ones "impale" the valve through the tube for more security, you know, being a PCP.
Sorry if I wasn't too clear, but I just chose to mention it as reference to tube and breech symbiosis. It is a wide and tall breech specifically made to mate perfectly with the 17xx tube diameter---also 7/8" like the 22xx's.
Anyway, I was just curious why UT was too concerned about the so called discrepancy, hence the query if he owns a 13xx.
Ya, that was a bit unclear but now I understand what you were trying to show. From previous posts in the thread, I do believe that uncletom has a 1322 as well as a 2240. I'm still puzzled as to why the breech he purchased fits so poorly. I'm still wondering if the European company that he purchased the breech from imports them from the U.S. (i.e. Crosman) or if they are manufactured in Europe?
Quote from: Flex on April 03, 2024, 10:10:53 PMYa, that was a bit unclear but now I understand what you were trying to show. From previous posts in the thread, I do believe that uncletom has a 1322 as well as a 2240. I'm still puzzled as to why the breech he purchased fits so poorly. I'm still wondering if the European company that he purchased the breech from imports them from the U.S. (i.e. Crosman) or if they are manufactured in Europe?
The only manufacturer in Europe who made and sold aftermarket Crosman breeches was Gmac. Was because they closed shop just recently, a shame.