I was thinking about this last night...
I've never really heard much on this forum about the Benjamin Rogue. I don't recall anyone ever saying they had bought one, and I don't remember anyone posting pictures of one. Does anyone here have one?
Or has anyone here had a chance to shoot one?
It's a beast of a gun, and gets 20 shots per fill. Unfortunately pellets/slugs costs close to $1 each....so shooting would get pretty expensive if we wanted to shoot the way we always do!!
Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone had an experience with the Rogue...opinions, reviews, etc...
they were sold in limited quantities
there was problems so crosman pulled them for rework
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I think the Rogue is way too much money for what it is (and how it looks!). If I was going to spend that kind of money I would get something custom, or more likely, one that shoots actual bullets and get full time consistency without having to pump or fill it with air etc.. I mean, if you're going for that much power in the first place, why not just go with gun powder instead of air power?
I've always had my eyes on a Sam Yang for a big bore. I like the looks!!
Woody said
I think the Rogue is way too much money for what it is (and how it looks!).
Ya, I tend to agree with you regarding all of the desert tan colored plastic stuff and that "LCD alarm clock" on the side of it.
I guess that Crosman was trying to totally differentiate this gun from anything else on the market, including it's appearance! :D
The pricing is crazy as compared to any decent quality powder burner in the varmint caliber categories; for the price of the Rogue, you can have a .223 or .177 HMR with a laminate stock, bipod and decent scope and still have money for the first box of ammo!
Still... I give credit to Crosman for this first attempt at a big-bore and an electronic valve system but, it would have been a better effort in steel and laminate stock with a bi-pod and a shrouded barrel vs. the Star Wars imperial storm trooper look.
Oh ya, I also wonder how many big bore airgun hunters there really are in the U.S.? Anyone care to take a guess? My guess is less than 1000. (assuming none in about 20 states that don't allow it and 6 or 7 other states that are anti-gun/hunting of anything)
there is an artical on the rogue a guy takes a coyote or two at 75 maybe a hundred yards. a guy here takes them out at the same distance with a .22 af condor
if i got one it would be more for novelty than anything else
Quote from: arkmaker on June 13, 2012, 04:18:19 PM
I've always had my eyes on a Sam Yang for a big bore. I like the looks!!
Ya, same here, even if it was a .25 cal, the old school wood and steel engraving and nickel finishes on the side plates etc, really nice stuff. :-*
I do like the fact that the rogue gives huge power, and I love that it isn't a 'single load' gun... But I really think I like the talon tuned airforce guns are much nicer. I think shot count is lower by a lot, and the pellet size maxes at .25 (i think) which makes them a lot cheaper to shoot than the Rogue.
If I spend that much on an airgun, it will be this one:
Or... how about this "to-go" version that breaks down into the alum gun case :D
.25 cal, 93 fpe, "shrouded" barrel ;)
That's a nice one too, but it's short for what I want. I have the P-rod, that takes care of my short gun needs.
I really love the .AAA Tuned Condor though...just the look of it is perfect. I've never shot one, so I don't actually know if I'd like it or not...
http://talontunes.com/aaacondor.html (http://talontunes.com/aaacondor.html)
For the money I would probably choose and FX or AA rifle. Talon/Condor were on the radar, but prefer multi-shot. Also, I really don't need to shoot holes in bricks.
Quote from: BDS on June 13, 2012, 05:23:27 PM
Woody said
The pricing is crazy as compared to any decent quality powder burner in the varmint caliber categories; for the price of the Rogue, you can have a .223 or .177 HMR with a laminate stock, bipod and decent scope and still have money for the first box of ammo!
This is true...BUT
The Rogue can be shot in places where noise might be a concern. Also, air power limits the range of lethality, so a miss or a shoot-thru of the target isn't as dangerous compared to a powder burner.
The Rogue isn't for everybody, this is true. BUT I'm hoping for a Rogue 2.O that addresses the short comings of what seems like a beta rushed to market.
I too was pondering this rifle.
I stopped going to the yellow for a while before this rifle even launched. A tempest in a teacup in hind sight. I'm just glad the ones who predicted additional legislation/bans were wrong. Has it been a year or so? Sky hasn't fallen.....
Quote from: SaiCo on June 13, 2012, 07:37:42 PM
This is true...BUT
The Rogue can be shot in places where noise might be a concern. Also, air power limits the range of lethality, so a miss or a shoot-thru of the target isn't as dangerous compared to a powder burner.
The Rogue isn't for everybody, this is true. BUT I'm hoping for a Rogue 2.O that addresses the short comings of what seems like a beta rushed to market.
And what should Rogue 2.0 look like?
Don't you think the current Rogue is somewhat "toy" looking or... to quote a great mind who posted earlier :D
"the Star Wars imperial storm trooper look"
For one I think they should offer one that doesn't have the electronic system. It's one more thing to break, and it's definitely one thing that will not last as long as the gun will. I think it's silly, especially since it's on a hunting rifle. Hunting rifles go through a lot, even when they are taken care of properly. I've never had a problem shooting without an electronic system, I can't see it making that big of a difference that I'd find it necessary to have on a gun.
Also, I think they should offer a different type of stock. Not everyone is a fan of the tactical style stock/pistol grip combination. A nice wooden stock with well placed contours would be great, and would make the gun look more serious. Now that I think of it, if they took away the electronic system and put on a really nice wood stock they could keep it the same price and people would buy it. I don't think I'd hesitate even half as much to buy it then.....
Quote from: woody67 on June 13, 2012, 09:44:11 PM
For one I think they should offer one that doesn't have the electronic system. It's one more thing to break, and it's definitely one thing that will not last as long as the gun will. I think it's silly, especially since it's on a hunting rifle. Hunting rifles go through a lot, even when they are taken care of properly. I've never had a problem shooting without an electronic system, I can't see it making that big of a difference that I'd find it necessary to have on a gun.
Also, I think they should offer a different type of stock. Not everyone is a fan of the tactical style stock/pistol grip combination. A nice wooden stock with well placed contours would be great, and would make the gun look more serious. Now that I think of it, if they took away the electronic system and put on a really nice wood stock they could keep it the same price and people would buy it. I don't think I'd hesitate even half as much to buy it then.....
Ya, with the changes you noted, the quality and capability would have to be in the Daystate or Theoben class of airguns. Those guns are anywhere from $900 to $1299 depending and, the Daystate guns now have on-board computers and electronic triggers (the comp readout is miniaturized and subdued looking) and the guns are real walnut and polished blue steel! :-*
I asked a similar question on the Yellow forum. When the Evanix Max was just coming out, everyone was saying "hopefully this one doesn't go the same way as the Rogue", so I had to ask what was so wrong with the Rogue. They said that it was Crosman's attempt at bringing more powder-burners to airguns and that not many devoted airgunners bought the gun (probably because real devoted airgunners like the ones who use this forum etc. know where to find better deals). So nobody really knows how many Rogues have been sold to the PB crowd, probably a lot, but maybe very few, and only a couple people have mentioned killing game with it, like that coyote mentioned earlier. IMO Crosman needs a big bore thats much cheaper. Lay off the silly synthetic stocks and electronics, leave the electronics for daystate. Crosman should do something that would be like the Benjamin Discovery of big bore air guns- a simple big bore PCP that undercuts all the other big bores by $100 or so and can bring big bore airgunning to many more people. Then they can release their high-priced high-tech Rogue 2.0 for people who wanted something more than the cheaper big bore- easy money for Crosman. Whatever, just my 2 cents though.
I would buy a condor. People shoot it farther than 200 yards!
Quote from: woody67 on June 13, 2012, 06:26:23 PM
I do like the fact that the rogue gives huge power, and I love that it isn't a 'single load' gun... But I really think I like the talon tuned airforce guns are much nicer. I think shot count is lower by a lot, and the pellet size maxes at .25 (i think) which makes them a lot cheaper to shoot than the Rogue.
If I spend that much on an airgun, it will be this one:
did you see the video i posted about the 1300fpe condor that shoots a 1000gr projectile?
they shoot arrows straight and true for 50yds ,also.tested by the ag doctor/surgeon
the size only stops at AF then the aftermarket takes over.
they are like crosmans a lot of mods can be done to them
im not a fan of their looks but the power that can be had seems second to none imo.
First of all, the ugly factor. I think (JMO) a trigger group like the 2260, so can use traditional style wood stock. And a more subtle electronics interface. So it's less like an LCD clock stuck on side of rifle. Different style/color pistol grip and fore end. Desert tan is "hot" right now, I get it. BUT I am not in the desert.
Secondly, some sort of cable i/o for interface with laptop. Make programming rifle easier for specific bullets. So when you find the one that works best for you, can program for different power levels.
This is all off top of my head, it probly seems rambling. Hope it's understandable.
First of all, it is ugly. It is also very big, so it is not practical. For example, if I were out hunting boar, and one charged me, odds are I could not get a shot on it. The price is WAY to high, I could by 2 of my Benelli Supernova's
and still have money to buy boxes of ammo! The power is good, but really, most people think they need weapons like this to kill a boar, meanwhile I know my .22 long rifle which is like a million years old and probably worth 50 bucks is more accurate and can kill anything this gun can kill.
Quote from: Beagleman on June 14, 2012, 09:03:22 PM
First of all, it is ugly. It is also very big, so it is not practical. For example, if I were out hunting boar, and one charged me, odds are I could not get a shot on it. The price is WAY to high, I could by 2 of my Benelli Supernova's
and still have money to buy boxes of ammo! The power is good, but really, most people think they need weapons like this to kill a boar, meanwhile I know my .22 long rifle which is like a million years old and probably worth 50 bucks is more accurate and can kill anything this gun can kill.
Well you could fit it with a bayonet ..... it is ... well ... not attractive and very big ....
sorry..couldn't post both pics.... bump
Quote from: BDS on June 14, 2012, 10:55:52 PM
Ya, $1299 + SCBA Tank + Ammo +, + and you are quickly shouting at $1700 to own...what? ???
And BTW, a $1700 rig ought to look like the attached, premium steel and wood rifle, not a plastic, tan camo toy. :D
there is a guy on a power burner gun forum who tested one of a first run rogue
i want to say he took a deer but really cant remember. someone posted the link on an airgun forum i cant recall either.stupid meds make stupid people :-[ :P ;D
Ya, a few fellas around the web have posted deer, coyote and javelina (pig) shot with it and I'm sure it does the job if the pressure/charge is up to snuff. At some point though, the cost cannot even begin to be justified unless... it's a must have for the buyer. Or... the buyer has $2-$3k per week to play with on his toys and the ful kit of $2000 doesn't even phase him? :D
At the same time, you could also argue similarly against the Daystate and Theoben airguns as compared to higher-end .22 LRs with trick stocks and optics? Except... IMO, they are at least reall wood and steel and close cousins to their PB counterparts.
Still, I can't quite get the whole being far afield with maybe 10 or 15 shots max? And who's carrying the 35 pound SCBA bottle for the re-charge? Oh ya, Jim Shockey has a local guide and porter to handle the equipment... silly me! ;D
yeah if its a must have
reminds me of a conversation i had with a guy who keeps a very high powered airgun because its the only gun he can legally own
some people just like to say ---- joe " I took that with an airgun ! " billy bob --- "really !" joe --- "Yeah ,man a .357 !" sorry joe and billy bob
Crosman just posted this review:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj5Aq7bz-tI&feature=youtu.be#]Benjamin Rogue .357 - The world's most powerful production air rifle[/url]
It's toward the bottom of 'guns I want list.' But it is cool.
Quote from: BerkshireHunter on June 18, 2012, 03:30:53 AM
Crosman just posted this review:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj5Aq7bz-tI&feature=youtu.be#]Benjamin Rogue .357 - The world's most powerful production air rifle[/url]
It's toward the bottom of 'guns I want list.' But it is cool.
the worlds most powerful production air rifle
can they boast that title?
Quote from: woody67 on June 13, 2012, 06:54:39 PM
That's a nice one too, but it's short for what I want. I have the P-rod, that takes care of my short gun needs.
I really love the .AAA Tuned Condor though...just the look of it is perfect. I've never shot one, so I don't actually know if I'd like it or not...
http://talontunes.com/aaacondor.html (http://talontunes.com/aaacondor.html)
One of these days, I am going to give Tony of Talon Tunes a call and see if he will let me shoot one of his guns. Right here in town, so it is all on me to make that happen. Only problem is that his shooters sell for a premium and I am a bit short on making that mark. I think, not 100% sure, but I think Quickster has a TT shooter and one of his posts give high kudo's to TT guns.
As for a wood stocked Rogue...........I am also of the team that says "wood" would sell better than the baby poop looking Star Wars design. Just my opinion, but as with the TT shooter, the cost would be prohibitive for either one right now. :(
Quote from: 1377x on June 18, 2012, 05:45:11 AM
the worlds most powerful production air rifle
can they boast that title?
PA lists 200 fpe for the rogue which, when compared to other production big bores, is more than the recluse but less than the 909 and dragon claw. So it doesn't look like that claim can be substantiated.
Quote from: AZAG on June 18, 2012, 10:40:55 PM
PA lists 200 fpe for the rogue which, when compared to other production big bores, is more than the recluse but less than the 909 and dragon claw. So it doesn't look like that claim can be substantiated.
I know nothing about big bores, but I assume that Crosman being Crosman, they could make many more rogues than any of the others. Could 10 rifles be considered production instead of custom? I guess, but most of these are highly limited production. (My asssumptions ???)
Anyways, crosman updated their blog with this piece which talks about the software updates on the gun. The author also looks to have downed a large African antelope as well. :-*
(http://www.crosman.com/croswords/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Ian-Harford-with-Benjamin-.357-Rogue-Red-Hartebeest.jpg)
http://www.crosman.com/croswords/?p=2643 (http://www.crosman.com/croswords/?p=2643)
maybe crosman means the most powerful for cookie cutter production airgun manufacturers
Quote from: BerkshireHunter on June 18, 2012, 11:36:35 PM
I know nothing about big bores, but I assume that Crosman being Crosman, they could make many more rogues than any of the others. Could 10 rifles be considered production instead of custom? I guess, but most of these are highly limited production. (My asssumptions ???)
Anyways, crosman updated their blog with this piece which talks about the software updates on the gun. The author also looks to have downed a large African antelope as well. :-*
(http://www.crosman.com/croswords/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Ian-Harford-with-Benjamin-.357-Rogue-Red-Hartebeest.jpg)
http://www.crosman.com/croswords/?p=2643 (http://www.crosman.com/croswords/?p=2643)
Why can I not shake the feeling that his scope is mounted backwards?
There was a Rogue at the South Carolina GTA fun shoot last month. Its a bad aZZ gun ! Quiet, powerful and accurate as all get out. My ideal version would be one without the electronics.
Dave
Do you guys think parts from the Rogue will be able to order in the near future? That adjustable stock would probably fit on the M4-177's buffer tube, and would go well with the desert tan version. It would have to have typical "good" Crosman pricing though, and not cost as much as alternative magpuls...
The rogue has 11mm rails. What a joke! Why not picattiny?
it probably has the recoil of a rimfire
Quote from: 1377x on July 09, 2012, 04:13:34 AM
it probably has the recoil of a rimfire
I know but still..Scope mounts easier with the picatiny I can not spell that if my life depended on it.
cheaper ;) sound good stuff here maybe ??? http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1341752820/SCI+Bronze+Medal+Mountain+Reedbuck+in+South+Africa+with+the+Benjamin+Rogue+.357 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1341752820/SCI+Bronze+Medal+Mountain+Reedbuck+in+South+Africa+with+the+Benjamin+Rogue+.357)