Unbelievable! Simply unbelievable! I got my breech today from Crosman. It came with a new probe and handle and everything. I was really happy... Was. Then I tried to remove the stupid little screw from the breech and like the title to this thread says I promptly stripped it. Seriously Crosman... You guys sell the breeches so why in god's name would you out that stupid little screw in the stock breech?!? I'm bow in the process of tapping a tiny Philips head screw driver into the once hex hole and hoping that doesn't strip out on me. Talk about irritating. >:(
yeah i hear ya, but in my situation it's the side plate trigger cover with 3 hex screws stripped on me, all 3 screws! I was planning to polish my trigger sears but i guess i won't be able to do that :(
Crosman has some serious problems erupting in Canada right now.
I just bought a (second 2289g) and the box shows a picture of a 2289g with a brass trigger and the original "metal" frame door, using two screws.
Plus it shows a picture of a tamper resistant plastic cross block for the trigger.
Upon opening the box the gun does NOT have the metal frame utilizing the two screws, plus it does NOT have the brass trigger, and NO cross block tamper resistant trigger guard. <-- that right there is a safety concern in Canada, even though it's just a crappy plastic trigger guard that anyone could break in milli second!
Crosman has falsely represented their product on the packaging. = false advertising. What their doing with the packaging is illegal.
Like others, i'm returning my 2289g for a full refund! >:(
My 2240 came in that stupid clam package (I really hate clam packaging). There was no trigger guard installed at all, but there was a key for the trigger guard in with the paperwork......Go figure ???
Rich
Another option is if you have a Dremel and a cutoff tool is to cut a slot in the screw, and the plastic breech, and then use a slot screwdriver to get the bugger out.
And if you need a replacement plastic breech, let me know as I have a few spares.
Carl
are you sure the scew stripped or is it the cheesy allenkey that came with the breech. i stripped the allen key, used a new one and got it out. it's in there pretty good and in most cases i think the wrench strips first.
Quote from: quickster47 on February 11, 2011, 03:00:13 PM
Another option is if you have a Dremel and a cutoff tool is to cut a slot in the screw, and the plastic breech, and then use a slot screwdriver to get the bugger out.
And if you need a replacement plastic breech, let me know as I have a few spares.
Carl
if you're like me my cut off wheels shrink in size .i will save really small one .i had one small enough where i cut a slot in the oem breech screw in the steel breech with no harm done to the breech.
I used a small ez out to get mine out of the 1377 i just built.
Mike
First off, thanks guys for the help and offer of a plastic breech. I have a new steel breech i just got thats why i was taking it apart but thank you all the same. It was definitely the screw that stripped. I tried my own Allen wrench and it didn't help any. I did get it out though. Like I said I just tapped a small philips head screw driver down into it and then turned it out. Got the new breech and my new red dot all mounted up(temporarily without the breech screw until I find a replacement at work). I don't really like the bolt and probe they sent with it. I kind of like my stock brass ones better. I'm hoping I cam just unscrew the bolt handle from the probe and swap them around. While I'm at it I think I'm taking one or the other in to work today and drilling out the tip of the probe on one of them ;) thanks again everyone
Mike
Mike, in case you don't know but need to know, the breech screw is a 4-48. Hope you have some at work, and if you do, let us know as we are always looking for an alternate source.
Carl
I have ordered 100 SS screws in flat and 100 in Phillips. They should arrive any time. I will post when they arrive . They will be available to forum members at a low cost.
Let us know when you get them. AC Custom parts also sells them for $1.00 each. Ouch! But that is better than having to order a 100 of them! :P
I found some Allen heads at work, lol where I'm posting this from currently :P but the heads might be a tad too tall. I'm taking a few home to try out. I was going to try and drill my probe but I guess the handle is permanently attached? I can't get it off anyway. It sure doesn't unscrew so I'm at a loss there. I'll let y'all know if these work. They're far stouter than the stock screw and I'd be hard pressed to strip one.
Papadave where in pa are you? I'm in Bellwood myself.
Quote from: Ddevil54r on February 12, 2011, 02:20:39 AM
I was going to try and drill my probe but I guess the handle is permanently attached? I can't get it off anyway. It sure doesn't unscrew so I'm at a loss there.
You need to drill the bolt handle out. It is pressed in and then peened like a rivit. just need to drill enough to pop the head off, then it will slide out. at that point, you need to add thread with tap and die
Quote from: arkmaker on February 11, 2011, 11:05:17 AM
My 2240 came in that stupid clam package (I really hate clam packaging). There was no trigger guard installed at all, but there was a key for the trigger guard in with the paperwork......Go figure ???
Rich
;D
Rich.
You're not alone. It appears crosman is lowering their quality control (moving more production to china) to spread the hobby dollar so more people can get involved (can afford it). how ever, by lowering the quality and quality control of their products the opposite is happening. Who wants to by a cheaply made product? I sure don't. :-X
Not trying to bash Crosman, but come on! What's next, a plastic trigger? :(
I returned my (new version) 2289g to the gun store i bought it at, for a (older version) 2289g they still had sitting around on the shelves. :-*
it even had a brass valve in it. total score!! 8) 8) 8)
i think most of us here and on other airgun forums only make up a small percentage of the general public that are more aware of what we're buying.sure crosman maybe be slipping but how much of the general public knows that.not saying it's good business practice, as more folks get involved it could hurt them fer shur.they are trying to more people involved and without these forums and the amount of knowledge within these ,what would we know if one variant is better or worse than the next or which gun might be better suited for our needs.maybe a bit off tangent ---- look at the big box stores that sell airguns.someone buys a springer and a super sweet scope and mount/rings only to have their scope eaten because they or pos(point of sale/sale clerk) didnt know about the springers recoil and how it affects scopes .
Quote from: arkmaker on February 12, 2011, 02:33:54 AM
You need to drill the bolt handle out. It is pressed in and then peened like a rivit. just need to drill enough to pop the head off, then it will slide out. at that point, you need to add thread with tap and die
Cool thanks. I kind of thought that's what I would need to do but was hoping to get some insight. But let me ask this. If I thread the hole then I'm going to need a bigger bolt handle. Or is it tapered enough after the part that's in the hole that I could possibly cut it off right there and thread the bigger part of the handle and just have a short bolt handle? If that makes sense lol. Sorry its 4am :P
Yeah the bolt handle will be shorter for sure. And before you can run a die over it, you will need to get the diameter to the right size. I usally would do that on a lathe, but I just did it not to long ago by holding the bolt in my drill press and used a file to bring down the diameter. Nothing fancy, but it worked. Here is a pic of the one I just took apart and a newer bolt and handle from MellonAir (I think). I have not done the threads on the brass one yet, but you can see that it will end up much shorter. I would spring for a new one from Charlie if you can afford it, but the stock brass one will work and if you can add a pin to the front, you end up with an extended bolt probe for basically just your time and effort!
Rich
I think everything is on the cheap these days sad but true.Things just a arent the same any more.My mark 1 a is all metal only the grips are plastic.But that was 1973 pride.
Mike
on the 1320 i had, it had short bolt(probably a little shorter than the width of my thumb,shorter than the crosman bolts fer shur) which i really liked .more so than anything that i had.just thought i would through that out there :) kinda sad i sold that breech now :( :-[ :)(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq93/JUSTJOHNY/Picture126.jpg)
Eric,
With that big knob, it looks like it would work just fine. The problem I had using the stock handle is that the knob is so small and so close to the breech that it created a pressure point on my finger that was unacceptable to me. Others may feel different, but with a large knob like that, that would not even be an issue. Think I'll have to add a short bolt handle with a large knob to the ever growing list! Somewhere is that short stock knob I made and if I ever find it, I'll post a pic.
Rich
I had a particular brass bolt knob that I really, really liked. Unfortunately one day when I was doing some hammer spring testing, it broke. Man I hated that I would do such a dumb thing, but I did. So like any good Crosman aficionado, who never ever throws good stuff out, I put it aside.
Then I saw this thread about bolts and handles and knobs and decided to do the 'Phoenix' thing with it. Where the bolt had snapped at the threads I trimmed off the broken edges and smoothed it out. Next I took one of my extended probe bolts and drilled out the end to match the bolt handle, .187" was what mine measured. I then put the bolt in my lathe and drilled a centered hole .089" (#43 bit) so I could tap the hole for a 4-40 grub screw. I also drilled a .112" (#33 bit) recess hole in the end of the bolt handle to make sure everything stayed aligned when I tightened the grub screw and started using the new bolt and handle.
Now that I've done this successfully my next step is going to be a curved bolt handle. It won't be curved that much, just enough that you can tell it's curved. But I believe it will give my Crosman carbines a much cooler look.
Carl
Do all of you guys own lathes or what?!? Lol, lucky to say the least. I have two but they're both at work. Better than no access to any at all though I reckon.
Carl, that's a great idea I haven't even thought of drilling through the back and putting in a set screw. I have tons of them at work too :P
wish i had a lathe, even one at work would be better than nothin :(
I like Carl's fix and will be copying it. As a note, not all breeches have a hole in the back and that will need to be taken care of to use this mod.
Quote from: mr007s on February 13, 2011, 04:11:22 AM
As a note, not all breeches have a hole in the back and that will need to be taken care of to use this mod.
That is a good catch. Even though I was using a plastic breech when I was working on this I did not think about that little sticky point. ???
Carl
Quote from: mr007s on February 13, 2011, 04:11:22 AMAs a note, not all breeches have a hole in the back and that will need to be taken care of to use this mod.
I'm not sure I follow? I mean I have the hole in the back of my new steel breech and not the stock plastic one but... Ooooohhhh.... I just got it :P to tighten the set screw!!! Lol nevermind haha
The bad news: the hex heads screws I have access to are indeed too tall. I'm still looking and hopefully I can find some flat heads or something. The good news is I just saved a ton switching insurance... Nah just kidding, I did however get my stock brass bolt drilled out and also flattened the tip and drilled a little hole in which I put a small extra Allen wrench I had laying around(actually it's probably the same size as the generic one that came with my breech. So there's another use for that thing instead of just a bolt head stripper :\ ) haven't had a chance to do much testing yet but I'm going to take some pics and whatnot when I get a chance ;)
Mr. 007 in the meantime if you get those screws any time soon please let me know as vie yet to find something small enough to work. Thanks all.
Do you need me to send you a couple screws till you get a few and replace mine? Let me know this morning as I could get it out in today's mail.
Carl
Well as it stands(sorry Carl I just got this btw) I'm shooting my pellet gun with no breech screw at all. I'm not real sure if I can replace any you send me unless mr. 007 get the hookup then I would gladly get a couple back to you. I just don't know his situ and if he would be able to sell me any or what he's got going on. Maybe he could be a dear and chime in here lol.
Well, it won't go out till tomorrow's mail but I will put one in an envelope to you and you can make good on it whenever you get one from Crosman or Mr007 or where ever.
It's just not good to be shooting without a screw, you need a screw. :D
Carl
In Tyrone, correct?
Just got a hundred on the way from here https://www.smallparts.com/dp/B000FN3TZ0/ref=sp_dp_g2c_asin (https://www.smallparts.com/dp/B000FN3TZ0/ref=sp_dp_g2c_asin)
I will hook anyone up for like nothing just to thank you all for the excellant info on this site.
Thanks
Hi guys, sorry I couldn't respond sooner. I have limited internet access at work. The screws I ordered still haven't arrived. I expect them any time. I will be sure and post when they are available.
Yes Tyrone Carl or I could just wait till jerkbait(lol nice) gets his. Its all the same to me and I appreciate it either way. Sorry I just got home from work and didn't have much time to get on from there :P not even really supposed to be txting let alone on the Internet lol. I did however have time to mod the probe that came with my steel breech and put a smaller tip(smaller than in my stock probe I did yesterday) in this one. It's centered up all nice and neat, looks way better than the first attempt at the stock brass one. And I used the dreaded hex wrench that stripped the very screw we're speaking of for the probe tip ;) its good for something at least haha. I'm going to try and get some pics up soon. I'm loving this gun.
Quote from: jerkbait on February 15, 2011, 10:33:23 PM
Just got a hundred on the way from here https://www.smallparts.com/dp/B000FN3TZ0/ref=sp_dp_g2c_asin (https://www.smallparts.com/dp/B000FN3TZ0/ref=sp_dp_g2c_asin)
I will hook anyone up for like nothing just to thank you all for the excellant info on this site.
Thanks
thanks for posting
Your screws are on their way.
Carl
Awesome! Once again I can't thank you enough!
Carl!!! Got them!!! Thank you very much. Can you pm me your address please so I can make arrangements for your return screws when then become available?
With that said Jerkbait!!! I'm going to pm you about those screws. Thanks guys!