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Title: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: chongman on January 03, 2013, 07:34:39 PM
Dudes keep referring to a "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handle and I'm thinking about making some out of stainless steel. The largest diameter of round bar I have (and comfortable working with) is 3/4".

Is 3/4" dia. what you are thinking about?

What would you like as a knob length?

When I think "stubby" it's close to the breech on a 13xx, maybe 3-5mm from the tube in the down locked position.

My definition of "ultimate stubby" is as close to the breech as I will go. I'd hate to make a really short bolt handle and due to the variances of gun it won't go all the way down in the locked position. I use a 1377 with steel breech and a Mellon extended stainless probe (no grips on the trigger frame) to test fit everything I make.
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: outofthefire on January 03, 2013, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from: chongman on January 03, 2013, 07:34:39 PM


What would you like as a knob length?



Ooh er  :-[ I didn't think it was that sort of forum  :)
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: chongman on January 03, 2013, 10:22:33 PM
 ;D ;D ;D Good one dude!

At least you had a comment for me...31 views  ???

OK, what if I made a bolt handle knob "jig" tool. It would be a .285" diameter shaft, threaded on one end for the bolt probe (8-32).
I take a piece of round bar (3/8, 1/2, 3/4") about 5/8" or so long. I drill a hole in it and tap it for a grub screw.

With this tool, I could send it to a shooter that wanted a custom length bolt handle. They would mount the shaft in their gun, slide on the diameter on knob they want and lock the set screw in place. It would cost 2 bucks to send it anywhere in the USA.

Now, who's the scoundrel that's going to steal my idea  ;D
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: Fronzdan on January 03, 2013, 10:37:23 PM
You might as well start making your own bolts while you're at it!
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: JMJinNC on January 03, 2013, 10:38:56 PM
Quote from: chongman on January 03, 2013, 10:22:33 PM
Now, who's the scoundrel that's going to steal my idea  ;D

Like this? 1/2" aluminum bar stock.

JMJ
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: BDS on January 03, 2013, 10:50:52 PM
Michael... I would think that a .50" dia bolt knob would be plenty large and... it would have to be positioned on the bolt stem far enough away from the main tube and breech to allow the bolt to close fully (correct length of bolt stem).

The pics of the knobs you had in your other posts were just a smidge too large in dia IMO, a little out of proportion to the stem and as you noted, poss interference with the tube when closing.
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: Tater on January 03, 2013, 11:08:57 PM
The 1/2" size like the one JMJinNC posted looks like a perfect diameter to me. It looks about the right spacing distance from the breech too.
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: BDS on January 03, 2013, 11:16:50 PM
Yup, and that spherical radius makes for good clearance too, that's a good looking design, fat but sleek.
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: Tater on January 03, 2013, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: BDS on January 03, 2013, 11:16:50 PM
Yup, and that spherical radius makes for good clearance too, that's a good looking design, fat but sleek.

Definitely. It looks very comfortable to use too.
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: chongman on January 04, 2013, 01:55:05 AM
I dig that aluminum handle, shaped like a watermelon  :-*

Yes, when you look at a 3/16" shaft coming out of the breech with a 3/4" knob it lacks... needs a long taper to the breech. That's something I might try.

I like 3/8-1/2" diameter with a knob length of aprox. 5/8" myself.

I have some 5/8" stainless steel round bar and some 1/2" brass hex on order. Trying to cover all you guys preference in bolt handles.
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: breakfastchef on January 04, 2013, 02:42:44 AM
Quote from: JMJinNC on January 03, 2013, 10:38:56 PM
Like this? 1/2" aluminum bar stock.

JMJ

Isn't that the one I got from you? Folks, it is my favorite bolt handle.
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: quickster47 † on January 04, 2013, 01:37:14 PM
I made a few large round knobs from .75" brass balls and they worked pretty good.  The shaft was made from stainless steel.

I also tried some 1.0" brass balls and they were just too large.

Carl
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: chongman on January 04, 2013, 01:53:09 PM
Looks real good close to the air tube like that.

I came across some brass balls in different diameters on ebay awhile back. They were listed as threaded for 8-32 so I ordered a few to check them out. When I got them they were not 8-32...some kind weird thread that was not even in a standard tap and die set. Seller refunded me and said keep them.
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: bgmcgee on January 04, 2013, 02:05:36 PM
I like the handle tool idea. Everyone has a different idea on how they want their handle so that would be a great way of getting the perfect handle length that suits you.
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: 1377x on January 04, 2013, 02:22:00 PM
the jumbo stubby i have was made for a 1377 it has a .48 knob cant recall the exact now,when i used it on my 2XXX guns the handle would not go all the way down into the locked position but i have not had any issues with the bolt locking in place.i think the over all length is 1.30" with the knob being .83" long  leaving @ .50" for the stem under the knob
the knob can go larger than .50"od if there is a taper or a .45" step/shoulder or if the stem is @ .60" long
my stubby is brass and is now bent due to the strength of my hammer spring so i need something in stainless steel
i have only one gun that is bolt charging and a future build that will be bolt charging the rest are rear charging hammer assemblies with extremely heavy hammer springs.no worries about bent bolts with them because they have no weight bearing down on them like the bolt charging hammers
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: JMJinNC on January 04, 2013, 03:07:03 PM
Quote from: breakfastchef on January 04, 2013, 02:42:44 AM
Isn't that the one I got from you? Folks, it is my favorite bolt handle.

Exactimundo!  :-*
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: droid on January 04, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: quickster47 on January 04, 2013, 01:37:14 PM
I made a few large round knobs from .75" brass balls and they worked pretty good.  The shaft was made from stainless steel.

I also tried some 1.0" brass balls and they were just too large.

Carl

I would love one of those in Stainless  :-*
Title: Re: "Jumbo" size stubby bolt handles...
Post by: chongman on January 04, 2013, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: bgmcgee on January 04, 2013, 02:05:36 PM
I like the handle tool idea. Everyone has a different idea on how they want their handle so that would be a great way of getting the perfect handle length that suits you.

Thanks for the input  :-*

My brass stock is low so I have some 1/2" dia. inbound with grub screws and taps to match them for the tool.