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Title: One-handed shooting
Post by: with657 on March 20, 2021, 04:23:23 AM
These days, I am practicing one-handed shooting with both eyes open.
It is a quite challenge.. with my 2.6 lbs. 2300S.
Good news is; I see the improving day by day...

Will it be improved by dumbbell exercise?

My gun also needs diet. Back to the plastic breech?
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: Sweller on March 20, 2021, 04:42:28 AM
I wouldn't go back to plastic.

The question of more vs less weight seems to be a personal choice. Balance is probably more important. Technique is ultimately the most important. And, of course, practice, practice, practice!

Interestingly, I feel I shoot better one-handed. I try to shoot both eyes open, but I catch myself squinting. Subconsciously, maybe it makes me feel like Clint Eastwood.  8)
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: with657 on March 20, 2021, 04:55:04 AM
When I look the 10 m competition pistols, they are all weigh around~2 lbs. or some model  weighs 1.5 lbs.. .
I dissembled 2300S and weigh each part. and I noticed steel breech is the heaviest among.

Yes I agree, weight is personal.. But my arms get soring after shots..That was the reason I was thinking dieting or dumbbel
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: KevinP on March 20, 2021, 11:57:49 AM
Subconsciously, maybe it makes me feel like Clint Eastwood.  8)

WOW you must be real good, I have seen some of the shots that Clint has made !
Almost as good as James Bond .   :) ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: Sweller on March 20, 2021, 02:54:22 PM
Quote from: KevinP on March 20, 2021, 11:57:49 AM
WOW you must be real good, I have seen some of the shots that Clint has made !
Yep. A legend in my own mind!  :D

Quote from: KevinP on March 20, 2021, 11:57:49 AM
Almost as good as James Bond .   :) ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
*WHICH* James Bond? There's only ONE Clint Eastwood!  :-*
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: Sweller on March 20, 2021, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: with657 on March 20, 2021, 04:55:04 AM
Yes I agree, weight is personal.. But my arms get soring after shots..That was the reason I was thinking dieting or dumbbel
If you're convinced reducing the weight will help, you might also consider an aluminum breech. I suggest you give it some time, though. Free weights won't hurt, but you can also do a lot of dry firing to work on the other factors.

P. S. (WARNING: TMI) I'm no stranger to pain so I can relate. Many of us here are... chronologically advanced. Just before this damned pandemic, I got hit with polymyalgia rheumatica (PMR). I can't adequately describe the pain in both shoulders and both hips. They put me on prednisone, which helped. Then the pandemic. I decided deliberately suppressing my immune system wasn't the smartest thing to do during a pandemic so I took myself off the steroid. The good news is it's only supposed to last two or three years. The bad news is there's no future in getting old. I won't even get started on the tiny black ring that appeared in my right eye. But it happens, too.
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: with657 on March 20, 2021, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: Sweller on March 20, 2021, 03:01:42 PM
If you're convinced reducing the weight will help, you might also consider an aluminum breech.

Where can I get this? I thought it would be nice if someone made titanium breech.
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: Sweller on March 20, 2021, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: with657 on March 20, 2021, 03:59:03 PM
Where can I get this? I thought it would be nice if someone made titanium breech.
Here's a few:
https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/aluminum-anodized-black-receivers/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/aluminum-anodized-black-receivers/)
https://alliancehobby.com/rhalumbreech.htm (https://alliancehobby.com/rhalumbreech.htm)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/BREECH-KIT-ALUMINUM-Right-Handed-177-cal-COMPLETE-Crosman-1377-1740-2300-PC77-/301387685610 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/BREECH-KIT-ALUMINUM-Right-Handed-177-cal-COMPLETE-Crosman-1377-1740-2300-PC77-/301387685610)

I agree. Titanium would be nice. But it would probably be very expensive, too.
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: with657 on March 20, 2021, 05:22:55 PM
Quote from: Sweller on March 20, 2021, 04:24:38 PM
Here's a few:
https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/aluminum-anodized-black-receivers/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/aluminum-anodized-black-receivers/)
https://alliancehobby.com/rhalumbreech.htm (https://alliancehobby.com/rhalumbreech.htm)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/BREECH-KIT-ALUMINUM-Right-Handed-177-cal-COMPLETE-Crosman-1377-1740-2300-PC77-/301387685610 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/BREECH-KIT-ALUMINUM-Right-Handed-177-cal-COMPLETE-Crosman-1377-1740-2300-PC77-/301387685610)

I agree. Titanium would be nice. But it would probably be very expensive, too.
Awesome. Thank you for the info.
Chan
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: crossliner on March 20, 2021, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Sweller on March 20, 2021, 04:24:38 PM
Here's a few:
https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/aluminum-anodized-black-receivers/ (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/aluminum-anodized-black-receivers/)
https://alliancehobby.com/rhalumbreech.htm (https://alliancehobby.com/rhalumbreech.htm)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/BREECH-KIT-ALUMINUM-Right-Handed-177-cal-COMPLETE-Crosman-1377-1740-2300-PC77-/301387685610 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/BREECH-KIT-ALUMINUM-Right-Handed-177-cal-COMPLETE-Crosman-1377-1740-2300-PC77-/301387685610)

I agree. Titanium would be nice. But it would probably be very expensive, too.

Ill-fitting breech.

Reason why I donated mine to this forum 2 months ago.

If someone would give me one for free I will donate it again.

Good weight though, but the bolt does  not sit well on the notch.

Mine also had ugly dings despite telling Baker to handpick one for me.
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: crossliner on March 20, 2021, 05:30:06 PM
I hope Mr. Don Cothran makes them in aluminum.

That gent is one of my favorite machinists aside from Mr. Al/Gipetto  :-*
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: Sweller on March 20, 2021, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: crossliner on March 20, 2021, 05:25:15 PM
Ill-fitting breech.

Reason why I donated mine to this forum 2 months ago.

If someone would give me one for free I will donate it again.

Good weight though, but the bolt does  not sit well on the notch.

Mine also had ugly dings despite telling Baker to handpick one for me

Is that the case with all of them? I considered getting an aluminum breech. Then I considered I'm old and I think too much.
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: with657 on March 20, 2021, 05:42:35 PM
There are two issues in the Aluminum breeches, for my 2300S.

There is no dovetail for the rear sight.. Williams sight or LPA MIM
Breech screw location is at front location, not hidden rear location,, so I have to learn crayon melting things... :(

I would rather choose on dumbbel exercise,
Thanks again for the link  :)
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: Oldgunner43 on March 20, 2021, 09:18:38 PM
Two things that you might want to try for improving your one-handed shooting:

Get a "Prohands" heavy tension (or maybe medium to start) exerciser by Gripmaster.  Work your way up to at least 50 repetitions to increase your grip strength.  It also strengthens your forearm.

Try dry fire exercise with a wrist weight on your shooting hand.  I use a 1.5 lb. weight once or twice a week when dry firing with a 1911 pistol.  You'll be amazed at how light your pistol feels without the wrist weight when you're actually shooting.

Old bullseye shooting training aids.   ;)

Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: with657 on March 21, 2021, 05:26:28 PM
Thank you for the tip. I already use "Prohands" for a long time.. Actually my another hobby is playing bass. Strong finger and independency is very important for a bassist.

I will try with the plastic bag from grocery , filled with heavy stuff, then put it on the fore arm...

Chan
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: jkingrph on March 21, 2021, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: with657 on March 21, 2021, 05:26:28 PM
Thank you for the tip. I already use "Prohands" for a long time.. Actually my another hobby is playing bass. Strong finger and independency is very important for a bassist.

I will try with the plastic bag from grocery , filled with heavy stuff, then put it on the fore arm...

Chan

I hope you do not mean a grocery bag with heavy items inside and hanging from your forearm,  Pendulum effect will affect shooting drastically  Maybe it you are just using it for weight lifting purposes, ok.
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: T191032 on April 06, 2021, 05:10:10 PM
with657,

Sent ya a Private message.
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: 49Panhead on April 06, 2021, 10:40:07 PM
Balance is an issue in shooting one handed as is the fit of your grip. That 'muzzle brake' is just a barrel weight to improve the balance.
I'm still breaking in my 2300s, but I find it's balance and fit are to my liking. I'm one of the 'chronologically challenged' group as well.
Has anyone actually installed an aluminum breech? If so, how did it work out?
:)
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: with657 on April 08, 2021, 05:44:08 AM
Quote from: T191032 on April 06, 2021, 05:10:10 PM
with657,

Sent ya a Private message.
Thank you so much for the nice tip for one hand practicing. I appreciated.
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: with657 on April 08, 2021, 05:48:37 AM
Quote from: 49Panhead on April 06, 2021, 10:40:07 PM
Balance is an issue in shooting one handed as is the fit of your grip. That 'muzzle brake' is just a barrel weight to improve the balance.
I'm still breaking in my 2300s, but I find it's balance and fit are to my liking. I'm one of the 'chronologically challenged' group as well.
Has anyone actually installed an aluminum breech? If so, how did it work out?
:)
No, I have not tried yet. They do not make the breech with hidden screw location, and I read some review of quality issue..
Thank you for the tip of "balancing" Do you think balancing is more important than the weight? If so, where should be the center of mass (COM) in ideal case?
I imagine, COM should be near the where trigger located. right? 
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: Multigunner on April 08, 2021, 09:10:47 AM
A good substitute for dumbells is a large detergent bottle with handle that you can fill with water to suit the weight you want, I suggest twice the weight of your pistol.
Raise and lower the bottle in the same manner you'd raise a pistol. Once you achieve a good level of muscle tension just practice with the pistol.
A weighted wrist band is another option. These you can wear all day till you [/youtube] notice you have it on.

PS
I made a bracket for a small pocket size maglight which I mounted under the frame of my 78g. The added weight in front of the trigger guard stabilized the gun perfectly and made snap shooting small rats easy. I'd just swing the light around till there was a reflection from their beady little eyes and bang no more rat.

Mislaid the light and bracket years ago I need to make another.
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: T191032 on April 08, 2021, 01:27:14 PM
I remember Rualert suggesting a milk jug with water many moons ago, same concept.  The detergent bottle would be a little more 'stout' with water in it.   :-*

"A good substitute for dumbells is a large detergent bottle with handle that you can fill with water to suit the weight you want, I suggest twice the weight of your pistol.
Raise and lower the bottle in the same manner you'd raise a pistol. Once you achieve a good level of muscle tension just practice with the pistol."
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: 49Panhead on April 08, 2021, 07:35:49 PM
My understanding is that a pistol should be a bit 'barrel heavy' in order to counteract recoil and complement your natural grip. Since recoil is not much of an issue with most of the pistols we are discussing, I would suppose that you would want CoM a tad forward of the trigger. I'll check out my 2300 and see, the 1377 is being reworked and not a good test subject for now.
I'm just getting back into offhand shooting after years of shooting PB pistols off a bench so it's a relearning process. Keeps a chronologically challenged guy entertained.
:)
Title: Re: One-handed shooting
Post by: Multigunner on April 08, 2021, 10:10:55 PM
Both my 78g and my Mk1 seem butt heavy to me. Mounting the flashlight on the 78g put the COM in just the right place.

A simple trick I learned long ago is to raise the gun till the sights are on target, if you throw down on the target or even lower slowly you can end up under shooting.
You also have a better view of the target before bringing sights to bear.

When the pistol has a grip similar to an autoloader the US Army method of gripping the 1911 comes in handy. You use the middle finger to firmly draw the grip back towards the web of the thumb. The third finger grips with little force simply as a stabilizer and the little finger simply lays on the grip with no force at all.