OK, all you lucky guys with the Benji Trail Pistols arriving today... let's not forget the poor CAPOF brothers who don't have one on the delivery truck and who are all dying to know how it shoots, how good or bad the triggers are, how many men and a boy it takes to cock the gun, et etc :D :-*
X1
^^^ X3
Carl
I get mine Thursdsay :( But I'm off Thursday and Friday :) :-*
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Quote from: KBR97 on April 02, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
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Lucky!!!!!!
Oh, my, gawdz! ;D
Quote from: KBR97 on April 02, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
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Oh sure... tempt us with the sealed up box... gun pics PLEASE! >:( :D ;D
Ok ok ok...lol..
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Very Nice... me like :-*
I'm going to need some time before I get out there and shoot it. The gun feels nice in hand, sights are pretty nice with the fiber optics, feels a little heavy. Well heavier than I imagined.
Quote from: KBR97 on April 02, 2013, 05:16:16 PM
I'm going to need some time before I get out there and shoot it. The gun feels nice in hand, sights are pretty nice with the fiber optics, feels a little heavy. Well heavier than I imagined.
I remember the specs saying its weight was measure in pounds. Like a Ruger Super Redhawk! :D
Wife just called, mine is waiting at home!
Can't wait to get there! I got to work over 30 minutes tonight, wouldn't you know it...
She said the UPS driver knew all about it! He asked if it was one of those new pistols that went on sale last Thursday! :P
I told her she should have opened it and let him see it.
The UPS driver told her he thinks his dad ordered one.
(She said the box seemed heavy to her) ;D
I think I like the fact that Crosman is shipping these in a foam nest and cardboard cover!
Two Thumbs up for Crosman on this one.....Now if they would only make it in the USA or UK :-* :-*
Unless KBR's got giant hands, I'm liking the size. It doesn't look as bulky as other break barrel pistols. Mine from PA won't even ship until Friday at the earliest.
Keep posting pics and reviews!
Sweeeeet!!!! I see a trigger guard laser on the horizon for me :)
I'm not sure if I like it... ???
It was shooting a little low and its heavy, probably weighs as much as 2 13xx's. And the trigger feels like a 2 stage, not a single stage. There is some pull, then a spot where it feels like its going to engage, then just a tad more and it shoots.
Not sure if its my "cup of tea" yet. Can't wait to see some first impressions from others.
I'm not the most experienced shooter and I'm just making these comparisons to a 1377 and a IZH 53m that I own.
Going back outside now ;)
Thanks, and a comparo to your Izzy and 1377 is a tough one, spring guns are heav(ier) the triggers are different beasts etc etc.
Good feedback... :-*
Just came back in from another quick round of shooting. This is very interesting....give me a minute to get some pics uploaded.
Cool beans.. and I don't know if this pistol will like to be held lightly, one-hand, two-handed, firmly held or some combo of the two? The standard answer to the "hold" question for spring guns is the artillery-hold, i.e lightly held and let it repeat/recoil with the same hold each time, this is gonna be interesting ;)
On a SP/NP gun, the quality and design of the trigger can be a make or break issue as to accuracy. The sear is holding back a lot of tension. I always shoot 2-handed with a springer, and never grasp the gun with the off hand, but use it as a rest. Give it time, especially since there's a break in period where it might not group very well. And, of course, there's the hunt for the right pellet. RC
Well said RC
Quote from: KBR97 on April 02, 2013, 05:16:16 PM
I'm going to need some time before I get out there and shoot it. The gun feels nice in hand, sights are pretty nice with the fiber optics, feels a little heavy. Well heavier than I imagined.
Send it down here to Tennessee and I'll do a 'Quick' evaluation and send it right back, this year. ;D :D
Carl
Ok so after going back outside with some disappointment as to how this pistol was performing, I was pleasantly surprised as to how "surgically" accurate this pistol became once I removed that abomination of a cocking assist. That piece of plastic is 100% useless besides aiding in cocking the pistol. Only reason I left it on is because it was advertised as "you can leave it on". And its obviously alot easier to cock the gun with more leverage. The cocking aid does help big time but it is possible to do without.
Edit...and the trigger is adjustable, I haven't messed with it yet though.
Here's some pics of 1" orange stickers that I use for targets. These were all shot from 20ft, standing, two hand hold.
RWS Diabolo Basic - 5 shots
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RWS Diabolo Basic - 8-10 shots
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RWS Meisterkugeln - 5 shots Pulled one shot a little high.
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Quote from: quickster47 on April 02, 2013, 07:40:12 PM
Send it down here to Tennessee and I'll do a 'Quick' evaluation and send it right back, this year. ;D :D
Carl
Yes, please send it to: "Carl" (BDS) c/o post master zip code 83642, Meridian, Idaho :D ;D ;D
Quote from: quickster47 on April 02, 2013, 07:40:12 PM
Send it down here to Tennessee and I'll do a 'Quick' evaluation and send it right back, this year. ;D :D
Carl
:o no no no...lol. After those groupings I just posted....yea right!
Oh ya... that's what I'm talkin about! :-* Did the cocking assist fit loose or otherwise impede pellet progress? Maybe it's just a lousy inner tube shape that messes with the air-flow or makes turbulence? Great feedback KBR... keep e'm coming! :-*
Quote from: BDS on April 02, 2013, 07:44:26 PM
Yes, please send it to: "Carl" (BDS) c/o post master zip code 83642, Meridian, Idaho :D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D nice try B!
No its fits very snug. Thats why I left it on, I didn't want to keep taking it off, lol.
And just to make sure it was the culprit, after shooting those 3 groupings I put it back on and the shots all hit way too low and were not as tight.
cool beans.. that assist device is creating turbulence of some type and in .177 it takes very, very little to knock down accuracy.
KBR you get the "first to report prize" on the Benji pistol, it's worth darn near nothing as a prize but, you have our undying gratitude, which can be (arguably) also worth very little :D but you know what I mean... thanks for the info and keep it coming, RC is about ready to buy at least one of these pistolas and I'm prob not far behind him at the cash machine! 8) :-*
Yep I can add another data point to the cocking assist thingy possibly impacting accuracy. I have a "Ruger" spring pistol that also comes with a cocking assist attachment that also can be left on. There is absolutely no way it impedes the pellet. Put it on and the thing shoots all over the place. I think BDS has it right....it must create turbulence that throws off the pellet trajectory.
Quote from: BDS on April 02, 2013, 07:55:20 PM
KBR you get the "first to report prize" on the Benji pistol
:D Woohoooo! lol. I took a sick day today so I figured what the hell. Being that I live in the same state as the pistol was being shipped from I had a feeling I would get it pretty early. Couldn't wait to get some pics and feedback up on here for you guys who were anxiously awaiting the UPS truck or trying to make up your mind about the pistol.
Can't wait to see more reports from other members as they are received.
That's pretty nice grouping for a new pistol and a shooter who, I'm assuming, hasn't had much experience with piston guns. That Crosman has made the trigger adjustable is a step in the right direction. RC
Quote from: Fronzdan on April 02, 2013, 08:03:39 PM
Yep I can add another data point to the cocking assist thingy possibly impacting accuracy. I have a "Ruger" sprint pistol that also comes with a cocking assist attachment that also can be left on. There is absolutely no way it impedes the pellet. Put it on and the thing shoots all over the place. I think BDS has it right....it must create turbulence that throws off the pellet trajectory.
Another data point on cocking assist handles... thx Fronz
RC... how about you? Cocking assist handles a problem ? ???
Quote from: BDS on April 02, 2013, 08:08:12 PM
Another data point on cocking assist handles... thx Fronz
RC... how about you? Cocking assist handles a problem ? ???
Well, the only pistol I leave it installed on is the Ruger, but I'm going to have to do some experimenting to see if there is a difference. It's not an issue that I've considered, but this thread seems to say that I should. RC
Since I had the Ruger out because it's my gun of the day, I just shot 10 shots with, and 10 shots without the cocking assist thing. There is no difference in the groups at my end. 1/4" groups from 5 yds. either way. ??? RC
Quote from: BDS on April 02, 2013, 07:55:20 PM
cool beans.. that assist device is creating turbulence of some type and in .177 it takes very, very little to knock down accuracy.
KBR you get the "first to report prize" on the Benji pistol, it's worth darn near nothing as a prize but, you have our undying gratitude, which can be (arguably) also worth very little :D but you know what I mean... thanks for the info and keep it coming, RC is about ready to buy at least one of these pistolas and I'm prob not far behind him at the cash machine! 8) :-*
Bet the folks over at Crosman are loving this post!! What better advertising can you get?
I can't wait to see the other guys reviews.....I see one of these adorning my cache sometime in the future :-*
How loud is it compared to the 1377 at 10 pumps??
I am sure glad I stopped back by this thread before heading home, now I know the cocking assist may be an issue. I might never have though about it being a problem! 8)
I will try it both ways. Hope I get to spend a few minutes with it tonight.
Maybe I better stop an pick-up a few flash light battery's. :P
Seagull... no pressure... take all of 3 to 4 minutes for yourself when you get home then ... RANGE REPORT! :D
Kb,. How is cocking it without the assit thingy?
If the front sight wasn't there it wouldn't be too bad, lol. It is do-able without it though. There's just not enough material at the end if the barrel to make it practical though. That being said...all the shots I took without the assist attached were also cocked without the assist attached. It was in my back pocket.
Well, it is heavy and not very balanced.
I agree the cocking assist does effect accuracy, or at least trajectory.
It seems to shoot MUCH lower with it in place.
I still need to work a bit on the sights, and I think it needs a little more break-in.
The 40th pellet was more repeatable than the 4th. I will have to spend more time with it.
Cocking without the assist is doable, but if you are going to shoot much at one time you will want to use it.
I wish the safety was auto.
Before I finished I busted a couple of cans from about 20 yards, it did that pretty well.
I plan to spend some more time with it later this week. So far it is not my favorite, wish it was different, maybe it will grow on me.
If you like a springer pistol, I think you will like this much more.
Could a TKO be used instead of using the assist? It would be a multi=purpose doofer.
I wonder if you drill some holes around the cocking assist thing like a muzzle brake would help it's accuracy when it's left on.
mike
Quote from: Crosshairs on April 03, 2013, 03:44:46 AM
I wonder if you drill some holes around the cocking assist thing like a muzzle brake would help it's accuracy when it's left on.
mike
I was thinking the same thing...
also ...... try shooting some cut off que tips dipped with goo gone and then dry ones till they come out clean ...
Quote from: Crosshairs on April 03, 2013, 03:44:46 AM
I wonder if you drill some holes around the cocking assist thing like a muzzle brake would help it's accuracy when it's left on.
mike
Funny you say that, I was thinking the same thing earlier. Figure if it doesn't work theres not much lost.
Btw...is it ok to use simple green? I don't have goo gone, but I did just pick up a new bottle of green.
Quote from: KevinP on April 03, 2013, 03:58:09 AM
I was thinking the same thing...
also ...... try shooting some cut off que tips dipped with goo gone and then dry ones till they come out clean ...
Huh... never heard that one before. ???
The goo gone is OK for the finish of the breech and such? They shoot out OK?
Sure would save on getting those cleaner pellets :-*
Simple Green should not hert anything, is a good degreaser, I like Goo-gon better if ya got it. Cleaning pellets, remember the Q-tips.
Good report, thanks guys.
Jon
Quote from: Tater on April 03, 2013, 02:43:17 AM
Could a TKO be used instead of using the assist? It would be a multi=purpose doofer.
I don't think the TKO could survive the leverage and repeated cocking cycles, it's just made from delrin and thin gage aluminum. There is a lot of force being applied way out there at the end of the barrel.
Yeah it would have to be one made of solid metal and with a good couple inches of barrel inside it attached with a few set screws.
Well i agree the problem with the cocking assist this is going to be a pita looks like a trip to Lowes or a pieca of pbc pipe to make one that goes on and off easier than the one that came with the trail
made one for my Hatsan because the one with that gun was way to short for the 58 Lbs needed to cock it
other than that it shoots very good as you seen from other posts lot liter than my other 2 break barrel pistol
Jim
I just don't get how this got passed Crosman. I emailed them yesterday to let them know of the issue with the assist. I got a response back today telling me that the pistol is a new product and they haven't received any comments or complaints about the cocking assist yet. Also told me that it was just a hollow tube that should not affect accuracy. But the CS Rep will pass the email on to the product manager.
???- whatever....it performs pretty darn good without it.
I did a review on the crosman site about the trial and told about the assist only gave it 4 stars
Jim
Same here...4 stars
Is it hard to remove after each cock?
(Man that sentence looks bad)
It could be easier. You have to give it a good pop. What I figured out to do is stick the end of the barrel in and then twist it just a little without seating it all the way. It will sit crooked but will give you plenty of leverage to break the barrel and it comes right off after. Keep it in back pocket till next shot.
I got to shoot mine some more tonight. I am pretty happy with the open sights now. I
The target I was using was marked in the center of a 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper.
So after a dozen shoots in the target area without the cocking assist in place I shot one with in one.
The shot hit right at the very bottom of the sheet. I figure it dropped about 4" shooting at 15-20 feet.
To All: If you are experiencing this change in where the pellet hits on target when leaving the cocking assist ON, please take a min. and send an email to Chip at Crosman on this issue...his email is: social@crosman.com or, you can use the Cros Facebook page if you are so inclined but, it's a lil too public for my liking on feedback like this, doesn't give Chip much room to be objective IMO.
Send Chip a pdf or jpeg of your with and without assist targets if you can.
I sold mine. :-[
Sold it to another forum member. I just wasn't "in love " with it. I think the money would be much better spent on upgrades for my 1337 which I can't stop shooting, or maybe putting it towards a custom 2300. Although I don't want to keep buying Co2's.
Quote from: KBR97 on April 08, 2013, 03:56:39 AM
I sold mine. :-[
Sold it to another forum member. I just wasn't "in love " with it. I think the money would be much better spent on upgrades for my 1337 which I can't stop shooting, or maybe putting it towards a custom 2300. Although I don't want to keep buying Co2's.
I understand. :-[
I will keep mine, but it is not the gun for me. I really want to like this gun. I hope my grand kids do. 8)
If I had it to do over again, I would have spent my money on a fancy leather holster for my 1322. :-*
Quote from: BDS on April 06, 2013, 06:59:52 PM
To All: If you are experiencing this change in where the pellet hits on target when leaving the cocking assist ON, please take a min. and send an email to Chip at Crosman on this issue...his email is: social@crosman.com or, you can use the Cros Facebook page if you are so inclined but, it's a lil too public for my liking on feedback like this, doesn't give Chip much room to be objective IMO.
Send Chip a pdf or jpeg of your with and without assist targets if you can.
My review is the second posted on the Crosman sight "Gull". Almost every review mentions the cocking assist as a problem. If Chip is reading the Crosman sight, he should know by now.
Yea they have got to know by now. I think 5/6 reviews on the site mentioned.
I appreciate the reviews. Based on what I've read, I cancelled my order from PA. Just too many issues to deal with. I'll get more enjoyment out of more custom parts!
Quote from: KBR97 on April 08, 2013, 12:57:04 PM
Yea they have got to know by now. I think 5/6 reviews on the site mentioned.
Iagree they sould be reading the reviews for their new np pistol i did one and said about the assist problem you`d think they would get back to ppl they have the email addys
Jim
Two things that I kept thinking about was...
1. how did this get passed crosman? After doing testing they should have known that the assist causes issues with accuracy.
2. If they did figure it out, which I find it very hard to believe that they didn't....Why would they release the pistol to the customers without addressing the problem or advertising the assist as "non-functional" while shooting. Make the customers aware that the pistol is capable of shooting with it attached but accuracy will suffer.
Most likly they really don`t care just want to sell guns why care if they work the way they should
Jim
I have been wondering how this got past Crosman also. Not from a disgust aspect towards them... more of a surprised they didn't realize it... or if they did, that they couldn't have known/ seen this was going to bite them in the as* on the PR side of things ???
Kinda feel sorry for them, and for the gun. It appears to be a good shooter (without the Assist attached), from all I have read and seen - but it makes it a hard to work with one at that, if you can't easily use the cocking aid ???
Leaves a market open for someone to design and build a new/ nice cocking aid accessory now though. If it looks good, and lets the gun shoot straight, it should become a "must have" accessory. ;)
Quote from: Brent on April 09, 2013, 05:08:52 AM
I have been wondering how this got past Crosman also. Not from a disgust aspect towards them... more of a surprised they didn't realize it... or if they did, that they couldn't have known/ seen this was going to bite them in the as* on the PR side of things ???
Kinda feel sorry for them, and for the gun. It appears to be a good shooter, from all I have read and seen - but it makes it a hard to work with one at that, if you can't easily use the cocking aid ???
Leaves a market open for someone to design and build a new/ nice cocking aid accessory now though. If it looks good, and lets the gun shoot straight, it should become a "must have" accessory. ;)
Good point! Someone could make some good $ making one.
I would like to see someone with a chronograph tell us if the pellet is really slowed down that much to cause it to drop, or if its just trajectory change.
Several folks have mentioned drilling some holes in it to see if it helps. I think that might be worth a try.
My guess is that it is causing a disturbance in the air just outside the muzzle as air is expelled at high speed. Causing a tumbling of the pellet in its flight. Mine seems to just shoot lower, not much effect side to side.
I guess a high speed camera could tell?
Perhaps four holes drilled evenly just outside where the barrel stops in the assist would help. This might keep pressure down/even at the point where the pellet/air leaves the muzzle.
I should just try it, as it stands now I am not planning to shot the gun with the assist in place anyway. ???
Wish I had a handful of them to play with, like Crosman does! :P
Regarding the inaccuracies apparently caused by the "cocking assist" extension part thing. First thing is a very small gap at the leading edge of the "port" on the underside of the thing. Where the end of the barrel meets the port. Second thing is the shallow void in the roof of the piece. Inside. Both of these issues might be causing a small but noticeable disruption of airflow. Well, perhaps? ???
Does anyone else think this pistol's trigger needs hydraulic assist? Or perhaps Crosman might have supplied a gorilla with each pistol to pull the trigger? ;)
Quote from: Sir William on April 09, 2013, 03:30:40 PM
Regarding the inaccuracies apparently caused by the "cocking assist" extension part thing. First thing is a very small gap at the leading edge of the "port" on the underside of the thing. Where the end of the barrel meets the port. Second thing is the shallow void in the roof of the piece. Inside. Both of these issues might be causing a small but noticeable disruption of airflow. Well, perhaps? ???
You are right about that, maybe the first thing to try would be a piece of tape over this opening and test the result. ???
I'm really curious about this issue. Can you guys post some pics of it off and on the gun? I don't doubt the results because as I said, I saw an impact with a cocking assist thing on another break barrel pistol too. But you can stick all kinds of brakes and LDCs on these things with no impact...what is it about this plastic tube that's a lot bigger than the actual pellet that causes a problem?
I was thinking if you all send your guns back crosman might wake up.
Mike
Interesting....PA had them as coming in stock on the 5th. That's now changed to the 15th. I wonder if they held back on shipping to work out these issues?
Watching this thread with interest, I have several airguns that have muzzle brakes or deeply recessed shrouds or, LDCs on a half dozen 22XXs and 13XXs and have never seen this as an issue. RC reported that his Ruger break-barrel pistol is a two hole shooter at 10 meters with or without the assist on, no diff. You might think that an LDC offers more chance of turbulence or interrupted airflow than any hollow tube and yet, I don't even see small changes in POI with or without the LDC on the Cros pistols.
All things mechanical can (usually) be explained by observation and measurement and incremental testing, I think we are still in the anecdotal phase here, real observations but uncontrolled testing, and only anecdotal evidence?
POI can really go whacky with an LDC. Today I was shooting a 2240 that has a LDC that I made for a .177 barrrel. Well the pellets were not clipping, that I could tell, but the POI was sure all over the place. I took it off and put on the one I made for a .22 barrel and all is well. I need to open up the inner cone a tad and see if that will cure it.
But yes, change the air flow incorrectly and you are in for seat of the pants shooting!! ;D I was thinking it so very strange that Crosman let this out with something of this nature. They had to have seen it. Had to!
All my TKO LDCs are .22 caliber even for .177 guns, that way they go on any of the guns without wondering... what caliber?
.22 cal TKO on a .177 gun is only 2db louder than a .177 TKO (using my cheapo Radio Shack decibel-meter)
Well ...I have been thinking again ... :o perhaps not the best thing for me to do ...
if one was to bore out the assist a little, do you thing that would help ?
Quote from: BDS on April 10, 2013, 04:19:12 PM
All my TKO LDCs are .22 caliber even for .177 guns, that way they go on any of the guns without wondering... what caliber?
.22 cal TKO on a .177 gun is only 2db louder than a .177 TKO (using my cheapo Radio Shack decibel-meter)
I was thinking of sticking with .22 on any future tko's. Have a .177, but can't use it on the .22s.
Quote from: KevinP on April 10, 2013, 04:24:09 PM
Well ...I have been thing again ... :o perhaps not the best thing for me to do ...
if one was to bore out the assist a little, do you thing that would help ?
Not likely Kevin, the inside of the cocking assist is at least as big as the outside diameter of the barrel.
I would say it has to do with the fact that the barrel does not go into the assist, there is a small gap between the end of the barrel and the plastic cocking assist (only on the bottom side). As air rushes out the end of the muzzle, air would be pulled into the cocking assist thru the gap? I plan to try to tape over the gap when I get home tonight, if I get the chance. Will not take long to see any result.
Here is my review of this China Junk posted on the Crosman web site.
There is 4 main things about this gun that make it Junk. 1. the rear sight., The rear sight moves when you shoot the gun. No mater how much you try to tighten the screw, it will move. I have the rear sight up as far as it will go and it still shoots 1" low with Crosman pellets. 2; the front sight. The front sight is Duck poop. The barrel does not go all the way out to the end of the plastic sight and that makes pellets shoot all over the place. 3 The trigger. The trigger is WAY to heavy. And 4; the cocking assist. With the cock assist in place you will shoot 2" to 4" low. I wish I had never waisted my money on this thing. DO NOT BUY, YOU WILL BE WAISTING YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!!! Buy a 2240 and you will have a better gun to shoot.
OK, here we go. The Trail NP is junk! Here is one of the reasons it does not shoot well. I have read alot of posts about the "crown" on the muzzle of the barrel afecting the accuracy. Well, this gun does not have a crown. My 1377,1322 and my 2240 all have the end of the barrel out past the plastic sight. Now the crown comes into effect. Look at the picture and you will see that the Trail NP barrel is back into the plastic sight about 1/2", this effects the pellet when it leaves the barrel. Add on the cocking device, and it get nuts. This is IMO.
I think if you drill out the front on the assist thing and have 1/8"around the edge it would shoot better. ??? Just a idea.
Well so far my thoughts are that's its a tad to heavy, Not to hard to cock but with my bad wrist about 15-20 cocks and I'm done ;D So far have had no trouble with sights coming loose.. Think I'm going to try to remove the front site and do a crown... Think I'm gonna pass down to my 13yr old as he can cock it better than me. As for the shooting goes it shoots very good without the assist, I've already got it in the works for a custom muzzle brake..
UPDATE:
I got the front sight of with just a little twisting back and forth..(don't try to twist it off its got a flat spot on the barrel that mates with the sight) to loosen the glue and it slips right off.. And "YES" it has a CROWN.. looks exactly like the crown on my Lothar Walther barrels you get from Crosman It has a flat face and a small crown close in to the barrels opening... OK, thought I'd solve another so called problem which I don't know if it was or not so I said what the heck... No more plastic past the barrel!!! And if you look closely you can see the crown.
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Quote from: blake.l on April 15, 2013, 07:55:17 AM
Well so far my thoughts are that's its a tad to heavy, Not to hard to cock but with my bad wrist about 15-20 cocks and I'm done ;D So far have had no trouble with sights coming loose.. Think I'm going to try to remove the front site and do a crown... Think I'm gonna pass down to my 13yr old as he can cock it better than me. As for the shooting goes it shoots very good without the assist, I've already got it in the works for a custom muzzle brake..
UPDATE:
I got the front sight of with just a little twisting back and forth..(don't try to twist it off its got a flat spot on the barrel that mates with the sight) to loosen the glue and it slips right off.. And "YES" it has a CROWN.. looks exactly like the crown on my Lothar Walther barrels you get from Crosman It has a flat face and a small crown close in to the barrels opening... OK, thought I'd solve another so called problem which I don't know if it was or not so I said what the heck... No more plastic past the barrel!!! And if you look closely you can see the crown.
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Hey Blake, did I you cut the plastic brake to be even with the barrel? It looks great that way and I bet it shoots better too.
BigErn, Yes.. once I had the front sight removed I did a lil measuring and broke out the Dremel and a cutoff wheel and ended up with what you see...
Blake great job on the front end mod. :-*
Hopefully that will help others in their quest for Trail NP nirvana. :)
Carl
Quote from: blake.l on April 15, 2013, 01:55:32 PM
BigErn, Yes.. once I had the front sight removed I did a lil measuring and broke out the Dremel and a cutoff wheel and ended up with what you see...
Ern... are you on the way to Home Depot yet for some Dremel wheels ??? :D ;D
OK, it has a crown, but does it shoot better now with the plastic off the end of the barrel?
Quote from: mudduck48 on April 15, 2013, 03:38:34 PM
OK, it has a crown, but does it shoot better now with the plastic off the end of the barrel?
That's the big question. I will guess yes.
Quote from: blake.l on April 15, 2013, 07:55:17 AM
Well so far my thoughts are that's its a tad to heavy, Not to hard to cock but with my bad wrist about 15-20 cocks and I'm done ;D So far have had no trouble with sights coming loose.. Think I'm going to try to remove the front site and do a crown... Think I'm gonna pass down to my 13yr old as he can cock it better than me. As for the shooting goes it shoots very good without the assist, I've already got it in the works for a custom muzzle brake..
UPDATE:
I got the front sight of with just a little twisting back and forth..(don't try to twist it off its got a flat spot on the barrel that mates with the sight) to loosen the glue and it slips right off.. And "YES" it has a CROWN.. looks exactly like the crown on my Lothar Walther barrels you get from Crosman It has a flat face and a small crown close in to the barrels opening... OK, thought I'd solve another so called problem which I don't know if it was or not so I said what the heck... No more plastic past the barrel!!! And if you look closely you can see the crown.
Looks Good Blake!! Good Idea! I am also curious if it shoots better now.