3-6 weeks it say's..... feel's more like 3-6 eon's with each hour that go's by.
As I wait for my 2300KT to arrive, took a look at the online manual, saw that the trigger can be adjust'd & the velocity adjustment.
Both look easy 'nuff without havin' pistol in hand to look at, as well both seem to be the first to do 'fore fire for the first time.
What is on the way:
Custom 2300KT
The build:
Base 2300KT Custom Gun Base
Base Assembly 2300KT Base Assembly
Barrel 14.6 Crosman Barrel (.22 caliber)
Breech Long Steel Breech
Muzzle Black Muzzle Brake
Optics / Sights 2x Pistol Scope w/ dovetail rings
Stock / Grips Standard Plastic Grip
Trigger Shoe Red Trigger Shoe
Engraving 2300KT .22
This will be my first .22 airgun. Without bein' able to get any numbers, fps/fpe, from Crosman on it an not havin' a chrono, I pretty much have to guess.
I did order two diff brands/kinds of pellets to start out with.
Daisy Precision Max .22 Cal, 14.0 Grains, Pointed, 250ct
Crosman Premier .22 Cal, 14.3 Grains, Hollowpoint, 500ct
I'm guessin', as well hopin', that the new pistol should hit harder than my .20 Sheridan.
Since I'm quite sure that sumone here has this same setup or very close to it, any tips/info/etc. on pellets is greatly need'd. I took a bit of a quess on the grain, pick'd 2 diff types & went with what was available at the time of order.
I can see how the pistol is pretty much endless for mod's & prob for tune's as well.
I did not howe'er, see any place that show'd part's available or price's for said parts.
Other than the trigger adjust & velocity "screw", any other mod/tune that can be done right away when it arrives?
Were you looking at the 2300S manual?
Actually, I'm not sure now. It was on the Crosman website.
My thought was to take a look prior to it arrivin', which should have a manual includ'd. Jus' want'd to get a bit of a head start.
I'll have to go back & look an see if I can find the one I was lookin' at 'gain.
Seem's it was the "S" I was lookin' at. Took a peek at "S" & "T" both jus' now.
S has it, T doesn't.
So then I'm guessin' the base of the KT if the "T" model, so no velocity adjustment.
I asked that question because I could not add a power adjuster to my 2400KT (only 4 to 7 weeks to go) and I am pretty certain it is the same on the 2300KT. There are a few shortcomings of CCS offerings with respect to options. Still good stuff!
Very much still a good way to go with the custom shop & a bit less dollars than purchase base & do upgrades. I order'd on cyber monday so got quite the discount doing it on that day.
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You will love it ... :-*
I'm sure it'll be more fun than a barrel of monkeys with pistol's.
I know I can't wait for it to arrive, already wantin' to mod it an it's not e'en built yet.
You can buy a power adjuster from a vendor here and on the GTA.
I doubt it will have the power of your Blue Streak with 8 pumps.
Too, the 20 caliber pellets have a better ballistic co-efficient.
Seems a power adjuster will need to be the first addition then. Point me in the direction of that so I can start workin' on the details?
DiscosRUs; Crosman; MellonAir. I do not have the first, the second is a complete assemble, the last a simple one.
Quote from: Weiand on December 07, 2016, 04:00:49 PM
Seems a power adjuster will need to be the first addition then. Point me in the direction of that so I can start workin' on the details?
Dave @ AlchemyAirWerks.com has all the good stuff for your new pistol.
He has an eBay site to.
Oh!!! Lots of stuff there.
Quote.... feel's more like 3-6 eon's with each hour that go's by.
....... in order to be able to judge your new pistol your should buy a new stock 2240 to kill cans with and shoot some paper targets for our online comps :D :P :)
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If you are going with a Rear Power Adjuster (RPA) get one that allows you to remove the hammer spring by turning out the adjusting screw. With this type you have infinite adjustment for Max. high or very low FPS. Other RPAs limit your options to what the makers feel is the max. & min. adjustments. Not enough adjustment IMHO.
I may want to shoot 60 shots @ 400 FPS one day and 20 shoots @ 700 FPS the next. Who knows???
http://mellonair.myfreesites.net/power-adjusters (http://mellonair.myfreesites.net/power-adjusters) Something like this.....
Perfectly good point there.
Very much they way I'll want to go with it.
Still have to wait to actually get it, then find that PA
show's 22xx so I'm guessin' the 2300 is the same as the 22xx in that aspect.
Does seem like an easy 'nuff swap
Quote from: Weiand on December 08, 2016, 05:16:38 AM
show's 22xx so I'm guessin' the 2300 is the same as the 22xx in that aspect.
Does seem like an easy 'nuff swap
Right on! The 22xx is the same for all Crosman CO2 guns. They (Crosman) uses the 23xx model #s to delineate 2240 guns they have added parts to "in-house".
There are only the 13xx pumper tube size or the 22xx CO2 tube size guns by Crosman now.
One more bit of info to add to it then.
Since I'm still in the wait time of the build an ship of the 2300, seems now is a good time to order that RPA givin' the chance of havin' 'em both here at the same time, as well as time to look e'erytin' up prior to gettin' the manual to have it down for swappin' it out.
No chrono, so no real way to test the speed, but easy 'nuff to test the hit power with diff objects to see how they hit.
It's only been 10 days since I actually plac'd the order for my 2300KT, to which I'm to understand the "base" is a 2300T.
No where near arrivin' yet an I'm already seein' lots an lots of parts I "think" I want for it.
22xx shown for parts for tube size will fit as I've already been told.
As I look at more parts, which right now I am lookin' thru Alchemy's site for more idea's than I prob need....
Main question is, if it says 22xx, that should fit my 2300 right? Otherwise it show's 2300.
On grips, it shows 1701-P or jus' say's standard... So I'm guessin' there is a bit of a difference there.
I've taken a look at the online manual for the 2300T so have a general idea on the guts of it, which, once in hand & have a manual infront of me, will make it much easy'r.
I'm waitn' to hear back on that RPA in blued steel that you point'd me too.
My understandin' is the trigger is adjustable "out of the box", but I as well see trigger parts on the alchemy site. So then would that be an actual upgrade? trigger/spring/shoe/etc. ?
Since I will put in the RPA when I get it an adjust the trigger right away, if sum 'o those parts do more than jus' the adjustin' an sum 'o the price's don't seem too bad, don't wanna spend a lot right away, may as well do it all at once.
Then I see other parts..... strike hammer, hammer springs, port'd valve, then like "dress up" stainless screw's an cap's....
I do see this bein' an insane money pit jus' like buildin' an engine.....
The Cyber Monday deal got me into it at what I feel was a pretty nice price, so a few more buck's here an there at the start up to improve the performance, I feel, would be a good way to go. Grant'd, I'm more than sure, down the road, alot more will be done and/or get another an go partially insane with it.
With the current build set up, the addition of the RPA, the already adjustable trigger, would any of the trigger parts make much of a difference right now? The port'd valve in combo with the RPA bring up the fps/fpe much? I've got 14.0 & 14.3 grain pellets on the way, which was jus' an "guess" on weight to get me start'd.
Goin' by the 520 fps "told" at stock, but no idea on the grain for that, with the RPA crank'd up an the 14 - 14.3 grain with the 14.6" barrel, I'm guessin' I can get close to 650-ish fps with dependin' on the head type of the pellet in the 10-12 fpe?
Well that was a lot of word's...... my 2300 need's to show up so I can spend more time shootin' it instead of spendin' so much time tryin' to tink of what I can do to it.
Blued Steel RPA order'd now, so there is one part...
From what I read, the adjustable trigger sear on Alchemy is the same that is in the 2300KT, which as well saw the read on how to make an e'en lighter pull.
So that part won't be need'd.
.22 Point'd 14.0g & Hollow 14.3g pellets arriv'd today. Well and more .20's as well.
I've got the ammo, now jus' need the pistol to show up. :)
I don't know if it will help, but I ordered a 2400KT (along with a 2300KT and 1300KT) they were ordered during Crosmans cyber week..just got an email my 2400KT will be here Monday....good luck
Monday ain't that far away either.... new "toy" for ya to have soon.
A few bit of info:
Your 2300KT will have the adjustable trigger parts in the standard grip frame, i.e., the grip frame on all 13XX and 22XX pistols and including the 2300KT and 2400KT. This standard grip frame can support either the non-adjustable 2240 and 13XX trigger or the adjustable parts of the two CCS CO2 air pistols.
There is another grip frame assembly used on 1701, 1720, and Marauder PCP pistols. This is a substantial upgrade to the pistols in the first paragraph, and many have used this grip frame assembly (Crosman part number 2220-1030), but note a different or modified stock striker (hammer) will be needed.
Grips are interchangeable and fit both grip frames.
Performance of a stock 22XX pistol with a 14 inch barrel should be in the 550 fps (plus or minus) range. A power adjuster (hammer spring pressure adjuster) will be able to move than up and down a bit, and also depends on the spring in use.
Grip interchange is a bonus then, does make it easy'r. May e'en go with another set or two of the plain jane stock once's an do my own paintjob on 'em.
I do have a RPA order'd, but now, after lookin' thru Alchemy a bit, tinkin' 'mebbe I shoulda went with a few more bucks for theirs that has the "knob" to adjust with.... but I'm sure I can find one 'o those later on as well.
I keep seein' more an more parts.... I really should stop lookin'..... but well, ya know how that go's.
that port'd valve, hammers, longer bolt to seat deeper.....
Ah well, ya'll know what parts are out there. I jus' keep lookin' to see what will bring the performance/power up an have it look good doin' it. If I dink with it long 'nuff, should be able to get it to hit harder than my sheridan.
For now..... tryin' not to tink 'bout goin' beyound co2 into the hpa/pcp stuff since my air compresser I'm sure won't fill either of those an don't really wanna add the price of tanks an fills an adapter's an the sort..... yet...
The RPA I order'd from that Mellon place show's it shipp'd out tonite, should have it in the next few days, which will be much sooner than the pistol.
This way, I'll have a chance to see if it's complete or if I need another piece for it as well to see if I can find a "knob" for it like the one's on the other site have
I think the PA's without the knob sticking out look better and won't be in your way. Once you have it set the way you want it, chances are good you won't be fiddling with it anymore. Take a drop of blue lock-tite and place it on the back of the threads once you have it set right. With the blue you will be able to move it again if ever needed. Guess though that it is a personal preference and like you say, you can add one later.
One thing to ask Davio is if his PA's will allow you to back off from stock spring tension (good when looking to tune for maximum shot count and gas usage). I was looking at them the other night and it almost looks like it might not, because it looks like he adapts a stock endcap to a PA? My mind might be playing tricks on me. Not 100% sure about this though as I was just browsing. He has a lot of stuff :-*
Oh, and most importantly.......I think you are gonna love it, Congrats and Enjoy!
I know I can't wait for it to arrive.
I keep lookin' at more an more "parts" for it an I don't e'en have it yet.
My understanding is the one I got is fully adjustable from min to max, but will find out once pistol has arriv'd. If not, I see the one on alchemy as well as a ton of parts on there that I really need to stop lookin' at. :)
Once the RPA arrive's, how can I tell which type it is?
Do not understand the question. ??? If by type you refer to the Mellon, it is screwdriver adjusted, full threaded, and IIRC the spring can be removed by completely removing the adjustment screw. :)
yea, if it is the one that gives full adjustment past the other "stock" type adjusters
The screw is a 3/8-24 that Mellon uses. I went to the TrueValue and got one long enough to grind the end down to make a spring guide and then used it as the adjuster as shown. Some like a exposed adjuster and some prefer it to be integrated.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/1760%20Chalenger/0cf2e860-8f8d-433f-a29b-4ed48c1f69d6.jpg)
Another option then.
Tank's!
That's a good idea! You could always dress up that bolt head with one of the push on caps, which will make it a thumb screw. Caps come in different colors too. Red and Black the most common, but I've also seen yellow, green and white.
Any way, I like the built in spring guide idea! :-*
Oh, and good luck stopping at looking at Davio's website! and all the others for that matter ;D
I jus' can't seem to stop lookin' at the Alchemy site. SO much there that I "think" I need cuz I keep lookin' an lookin'.
The longer bolt, a groovy bolt hanlde, the stainless screw set, the higher performance valve, extra set of grips to paint....... I really need to stop lookin' for more than 5 mins.
Really should actually get the pistol 'fore I start buyin' box's of new stuff for it. :)
I've had a couple of sets of Davio's dipped grip sets. They really are a good step up from stock. I'm considering a camo set for my 1322 truck gun that I'm building now. If you didn't get wood grips from the custom shop, then he also has some really nice walnut sets at a great price too!
You do know that once you catch this bug..........there is NO cure! (and you, my friend, obviously & definitely have all the classic symptoms of this bug). Until you submit fully (or go broke) you will get no sleep! and I'm only half joking here ;)
mmhmm, I very much am an airgunholic.....
Start'd when I found the 4 rifles an start'd lookin' 'em up an testin' 'em out an it's been all downhill from there.
lots of pellets, mounts, scopes, a pistol, order'd another pistol, parts........
hhhhhmmmm....... I can each twice a week an buy more "stuff" right? :)
You still have food? I'm down to boxes of spare parts! Whenever I get hungry now, I go out and forage with the deer. Save my money for more parts! ;D
Sumtin' along the line's of....
The phone bill's due. The rent's overdue. The only thing in the icebox can't be identified. The water's been shut off for weeks...
Jus' pick'd up a new 1322. Hey, first thing's first!
Quote from: BillK on December 14, 2016, 05:59:31 AM
The screw is a 3/8-24 that Mellon uses. I went to the TrueValue and got one long enough to grind the end down to make a spring guide and then used it as the adjuster as shown. Some like a exposed adjuster and some prefer it to be integrated.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/1760%20Chalenger/0cf2e860-8f8d-433f-a29b-4ed48c1f69d6.jpg)
Hey Bill,
I like that idea. Can you take a pic of the screw out of the RVA?
Joe
Will do....tomorrow...
My RPA arriv'd today.
by lookn' at it, since I don't have the pistol yet, is there a way to know if it's the fully adjustable or not?
If you got it from Mellon, yes: if not IDK.
Yes, got it from Mellon
Nice lookin' 'lil unit.
Can't wait to get the pistol, adjust the trigger, install this shoot it then order more "stuff" for it :)
Quote from: Monkeydad1969 on December 15, 2016, 03:33:47 AM
Hey Bill,
I like that idea. Can you take a pic of the screw out of the RVA?
Joe
I probably would have done a better job if I had known I would be displaying it here. I put a washer on the ground down bolt to preload the spring to the point of coil bind. I wanted to be able to shoot @ 400 fps or 600+fps. This is on a CH1760 target gun with a reduced volume valve to get maximum number of shots not power.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/1760%20Chalenger/100_10241.jpg)
Pretty nice evan round ground.
Pretty slick lookin' man.
I say nice job.
When it work's an doesn't cost a butt-load, all the better.
Quote from: Weiand on December 17, 2016, 01:17:33 AM
Pretty slick lookin' man.
I say nice job.
When it work's an doesn't cost a butt-load, all the better.
True and ditto! :-*
Nice work Bill. :-* :-* :-*