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#21
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / Re: Finaly caved and "Went for...
Last post by crossliner - April 03, 2024, 01:24:29 AMQuote from: uncletom on April 02, 2024, 10:19:34 AMSilence this far.
I'm still hoping.
Do you own a 1377?
I checked mine, as I have several in OEM and aftermarket in stainless (Don Cothran), especially the 22xx ones.
I also own OEM and Don Cothran breeches, and I just could not see the point of your complaint about the "gapage" 'cuz there is none that I could see.
The breeches, OEM and Don's, don't look off atop my 13xx tube nor on the 22xx ones, and no, I don't have a plastic breech for reference; I probably gave them away.
Anyway, it actually looks, the steel breech being of smaller diameter than both tube sizes, better on the 13xx's and more proportioned, IMHO.
On the other hand, the 17xx breech, i.e., PROD and 1701P/1720T, were definitely and perfectly made for the 22xx/17xx tubes (they're identical in diameter).
Out of curiosity, I tried it on a 13xx tube, and I certainly saw the "gapage", lol!
#22
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / Re: Finaly caved and "Went for...
Last post by Flex - April 02, 2024, 09:16:50 PMTBCH, I believe that your chances of getting Crosman to introduce a steel breech that better fits the 13xx series pumpers is remote but there is no harm in pursuing the issue. Have you considered having the ill-fitting breech milled for a better fit? Having some steel removed from the middle of the radiused portion of the breech might allow the gap at the edges to appear less obvious but, of course, it won't ever be perfect. I do realize that milling a breech made for a 13xx to better fit a 22xx CO2 model would have better results.
Am I correct in your belief that, in the past, either there were breeches made specifically for the 13xx series airguns? Or that the valve tubes on older 13xx airguns had a larger diameter than the current 13xx series airguns?
Am I correct in your belief that, in the past, either there were breeches made specifically for the 13xx series airguns? Or that the valve tubes on older 13xx airguns had a larger diameter than the current 13xx series airguns?
#23
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / Re: Finaly caved and "Went for...
Last post by uncletom - April 02, 2024, 10:19:34 AMSilence this far.
I'm still hoping.
I'm still hoping.
#24
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / Re: model 1600 c02 screen
Last post by marflow - April 02, 2024, 01:19:41 AMhad to look and the SSP250 that was produced till 1995 had a screen in it and we are just talking pistols
so the question was a good one but lets look at in a different way i believe they should be put back as they were if you can and this would be any gun and the key is IF YOU CAN
well many of have guns that we shoot but have never been into and even know more then most we all would need advise or opinion from time to time
and air guns vs power burns hell the PB's are easy to work on
Set a PB aside for 100 years protected and clean up and shoot, do that with an airgun and it will not work
good luck on your rebuild and take care
mike
so the question was a good one but lets look at in a different way i believe they should be put back as they were if you can and this would be any gun and the key is IF YOU CAN
well many of have guns that we shoot but have never been into and even know more then most we all would need advise or opinion from time to time
and air guns vs power burns hell the PB's are easy to work on
Set a PB aside for 100 years protected and clean up and shoot, do that with an airgun and it will not work
good luck on your rebuild and take care
mike
#25
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / Re: model 1600 c02 screen
Last post by vintage - March 31, 2024, 02:12:22 PMIn it stays. Thanks for the advice. 
By the way I'm not advanced as many on here but I've had bb/pellet guns around over my lifetime along with my other firearms. Sights like this are really helpful avoiding or getting out of trouble. LOL.
By the way I'm not advanced as many on here but I've had bb/pellet guns around over my lifetime along with my other firearms. Sights like this are really helpful avoiding or getting out of trouble. LOL. #26
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / Re: model 1600 c02 screen
Last post by CraigH - March 31, 2024, 01:57:42 PMThe old Crosman's had screens, but none of the new guns (22xx guns) have them.
If the screen is in good condition, I would clean it up and use it.
If the screen is in good condition, I would clean it up and use it.
#27
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / Re: model 1600 c02 screen
Last post by marflow - March 31, 2024, 04:33:51 AMjust about every CO2 gun has a screen in it and i see no reason why you would delete it
does it do much for the careful shooter maybe not but Crosman could not be sure everyone would be
no harm leave it in
does it do much for the careful shooter maybe not but Crosman could not be sure everyone would be
no harm leave it in
#28
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / model 1600 c02 screen
Last post by vintage - March 31, 2024, 01:53:03 AMHello all. New guy here. I'm 77 from Fla and like the older ones. I'm in the process of reseal of a 1600. Just waiting for the kit. My question is some say you do not need the screen behind the piercer. That the screen should be cut out but keep the outer ring to keep the spacing the same. Any thoughts appreciated.
#29
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / Re: Finaly caved and "Went for...
Last post by uncletom - March 27, 2024, 05:30:23 PMFor record I will share my correspondence here in this matter. I've just made a small request to Crosman regarding revising the 'new' design of their American Classic:
"Thank you for your prompt reply.
Then I understand why the available breeches have poor fit on the 13xx pump-guns. It is unfortunate. So, I have one request for you. Respectfully, will you please consider manufacturing additional breech types, both plastic and of steel, that will fit the 13xx pump-guns, I have seen photos of older 1377 models with a steel breech that has a perfect fit ontop the pipe.
I understand that it is a matter of cost and for that reason a simplified design has been implemented. However, Crosman air guns have a long history of great products, in particular the American Classic pump gun, which is why it would bring me, and fellow enthusiasts, great joy to see the American Classic assembled of parts that would not easilly give away any compromise such as the gap between the breech and the main body.
If you would please see to it that my request is forwarded to the proper instance, thank you."
Let's hope they will accommodate.
"Thank you for your prompt reply.
Then I understand why the available breeches have poor fit on the 13xx pump-guns. It is unfortunate. So, I have one request for you. Respectfully, will you please consider manufacturing additional breech types, both plastic and of steel, that will fit the 13xx pump-guns, I have seen photos of older 1377 models with a steel breech that has a perfect fit ontop the pipe.
I understand that it is a matter of cost and for that reason a simplified design has been implemented. However, Crosman air guns have a long history of great products, in particular the American Classic pump gun, which is why it would bring me, and fellow enthusiasts, great joy to see the American Classic assembled of parts that would not easilly give away any compromise such as the gap between the breech and the main body.
If you would please see to it that my request is forwarded to the proper instance, thank you."
Let's hope they will accommodate.
#30
Crosman air pistol - General discussion / Re: Finaly caved and "Went for...
Last post by uncletom - March 27, 2024, 04:51:24 PMQuote from: Flex on March 27, 2024, 03:30:10 PMWhy the breeches on my airguns seem to fit better is still a mystery.
Thanks for measuring your guns, and posting. I just measured the steel breeches (pipe diameter) of my 2240XL and my 2300S, both measure the same which is 18,95 mm, that is the smaller pipe of which the breeches are made. Though its diameter is of less importance than the radius of its mount (milled) surface that then attaches to the main body of the gun.
I brought the matter to Crosman's attention and have already received a reply. My question was:
"Hello, I wonder why you sell the "CROSMAN .22 CAL STEEL BREECH KIT" with information that it will attach to both the 2240 and as well as the 1322 models, as they clearly have different diameter of outer body. Mounting the steel breech on a 1322 will leave a gap along the sides as the body of a 1322 has a smaller diameter than the 2240.
Are there steel breeches with two different radius for either the 13xx series pump-guns, or the 22xx series CO2-guns?"
Crosman's reply was:
"Hello Thomas, Yes, the tubes are slightly different size but it is still compatible and will function on both models."
So my conclusion is that todays breeches are exactly the same, with difference only in the bolt depending on what caliber it's for, and that your 1377 is an older model with an older type breech that was made for the thinner pipe diameter of the pump guns 13xx series. I guess they cut the cost of manufacturing the pump guns by using the same breeches on 13xx and 22xx and 2300 models. Infact it annoys me deeply.