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Crosman air pistol - General => Crosman air pistol - General discussion => Topic started by: twigboy on October 21, 2013, 11:02:18 PM

Title: Rate of twist
Post by: twigboy on October 21, 2013, 11:02:18 PM
Shooting a pellet faster means a flatter trajectory, but is there a limit where the same pellet does not fly true if it is pushed at higher velocities?  If the projectile is sent on its path at such a high speed is there benefit or a point when the rate of twist (rifling) should be changed?  Or a change in the projectile weight?

Just curious of the physics.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: bgmcgee on October 22, 2013, 02:08:29 AM
Beats the heck out of me.  ;D. Actually that's a good question,not smart enough here to answer you though.  All I do is load and shoot.
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: K.O. on October 22, 2013, 02:32:27 AM
Daisy 953s have a one in fifteen twist to help them be accurate  at lower velocity  for 10 meter shots.  I think most pellet rifles fall between  1/16 and 1/18 not sure though...

Here is some reading

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/tag/twist-rate/ (http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/tag/twist-rate/)
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: bgmcgee on October 22, 2013, 02:37:16 AM
Aren't most lothar airgun barrels 1 in 12 ? Like I said earlier this is way beyond me, I need a drink now.  ;D
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: mudduck48 on October 22, 2013, 03:16:28 AM
Quote from: bgmcgee on October 22, 2013, 02:37:16 AM
Aren't most lothar airgun barrels 1 in 12 ? Like I said earlier this is way beyond me, I need a drink now.  ;D
:-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: WyoMan on October 22, 2013, 03:17:19 AM
First, diabolo pellets are designed for subsonic flight and should stay below about 900 fps or the Cd starts to go parabolic when getting close to Mach-1
Second, too much spin  can cause two problems:
- overstabilization, the strong gyro effect keeps the pellet pointed slightly upward while the pellet is on a downward arc and leads to precession
- Magnus effect, or spin drift increases with the rpm's and can be noticed at longer distances
Twist rates....not sure but 1:17 is in the ballpark
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: tinker on October 22, 2013, 03:28:09 AM
Wyo is correct, most pellets don'y fly well over 950fps.  Keep everything sub sonic is best between 850-950 fps range for the best accuracy.

Glen
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: K.O. on October 22, 2013, 03:53:42 AM
Quote from: bgmcgee on October 22, 2013, 02:37:16 AM
Aren't most lothar airgun barrels 1 in 12 ? Like I said earlier this is way beyond me, I need a drink now.  ;D

I think Lothar Wather barrels are 1 in  17.7  the 753 and 853 have the L.W. barrel, the 953 has a daisy barrel.

more reading

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=33650.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=33650.0)
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: arkmaker † on October 22, 2013, 04:00:21 AM
Anyone know what a stock Crosman barrel is?
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: K.O. on October 22, 2013, 04:09:24 AM

I have heard 1 in 16 but do not actually know...


Hey, where is my drink ;)
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: bgmcgee on October 22, 2013, 04:28:01 AM
Quote from: K.O. on October 22, 2013, 04:09:24 AM
I have heard 1 in 16 but do not actually know...


Hey, where is my drink ;)
Oops sorry I drank it. ;D ;D ;D
After reading what Wyo posted I really need one.
Title: Re: Rate of twist
Post by: twigboy on October 26, 2013, 01:29:11 AM
My brain still hurts  :-[   I almost didn't ask but...  It'll take some time to digest this info. And to finish my drink.  Thanks --  truthfully very interesting.