I ordered the Dooms day kit but haven't gotten it yet. The first thing I want to do is get the steel receiver and a scope. I want something usable and I don't mind paying for quality within reason. I'm thinking a rifle scope in 4-6 power. What are you guys using as far as scopes and mounts? What scopes should I avoid? Where is the best place to source them? Thanks!
Scope choice has a lot to do with how you plan to use the gun. I like AO scopes for airguns because of the short ranges at which they shoot. I also prefer reticles with multiple aim points. Buy the best glass you can afford.
You really can't go wrong with a UTG/Leapers or a Hawke scope. Basis UTG mounts work very well and don't bust the bank.
A few decent scopes I've owned in the past that I would recommend include:
Hawke Sport HD 3-9x40
UTG Bug Buster 3-9x32
Barska 2-7x32
PyramidAir is top notch and so is amazon.com..Got amazon prime for my purchases and they are fast, just 2 day shipping for eligible items..
UTG mounts are fine but if you are willing to stretch your budget a bit go for BKLs..I use them on all my airguns..No need for the dual strap, the single one is fine enough.
Like Mr. Miller said Leapers/Hawke scopes are a good buy but you may want to try this one..
http://www.cadwis.com/37279-10yds.html (http://www.cadwis.com/37279-10yds.html)
MTC/Optisan scopes are very nice, I had one, a Viper to be exact..
Ok, here's a bug buster with mounts for $90. Would this work? Will the provided mounts give me enough room to load?
http://www.amazon.com/Leapers-3-9x32-Compact-Sunshade-SCP-M392AOLWQ/dp/B005VRYHNI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1407869625&sr=8-2&keywords=utg+3-9x32 (http://www.amazon.com/Leapers-3-9x32-Compact-Sunshade-SCP-M392AOLWQ/dp/B005VRYHNI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1407869625&sr=8-2&keywords=utg+3-9x32)
Good deal on the scope & rings combo. I am sure you will have enough clearance to load once you get the hang of it. If you really feel there is not enough room, the cost is low to replace the mounts with a set of high rings.
If this is your first Crosman steel breech, you will inevitably be asking us why pellets may hang up or not load smoothly. It is just the nature of a breech designed for multiple calibers. Pellets in .177 are particularly susceptible to tumbling in the loading port, but .22 pellets do load much better. Like anything else, you will come to know your gun, how to load it most efficiently and what it's capabilities (and yours) are. Enjoy the ride!
The link for the bug buster shows it comes with the mounts but I don't think they'll work on the steel receiver. I believe it needs an adapter or a different set of rings.
I don't mine getting a good scope because it may end up on a Marurder ;)
Like Crossliner said Bkl's are kinda pricey but you get what you pay for.I went with the low priced rings because I am price conscious(cheap :D ;D)but I won't skimp on rings anymore and only buy Bkl rings.
I went (apparently) cheap and got the Centerpoint 3-9×32. Works descent. Online for under $50. Slightly more in the store, but have a really good return policy. Plus it comes with mounts.
Sometimes you do get a great deal for a little bit of money and that is great.I will try to save money on a scope I just don't get cheap rings anymore.I have a 4x16 Centerpoint on my marauder but I ditched the centerpoint rings I think that is what they are and went with Bkls don't know if that helped or not because I haven't shot it yet still holding steady at 2,500 psi though. :( :( :(I am not saying inexpensive is bad sometimes its great just not always. I have had some bad results from Leapers mounts, but the scopes are great.
Quote from: Blackdog on August 12, 2014, 04:44:17 AM
I ordered the Dooms day kit but haven't gotten it yet. The first thing I want to do is get the steel receiver and a scope. I want something usable and I don't mind paying for quality within reason. I'm thinking a rifle scope in 4-6 power. What are you guys using as far as scopes and mounts? What scopes should I avoid? Where is the best place to source them? Thanks!
I'm hoping that you're getting your Doomsday Kit from WalMart! Their current sale price of ~$75 is darn good IMHO. I paid ~$90 for mine (which i thought was decent). I've seen them as low as $70 but not too often.
The steel breech is (and I think most here will agree) a "must have". Crosman sells their version for ~#35.
Personally, I'm +/- RE: telescopic sights on a carbinesque air gun with a 12" barrel. I would bet that most folks that have this model shoot at targets <100 feet distant and more likely <50 feet away. Just sayin'. That being said, I DO have a cheapo Gamo 4x20TV on my 2289 ???. It was a take off from a garage sale find. So the price was right. ;). I've tried other sighting devices on this air gun, the stock sights, Crosman & Daisy "RedDot" type sights and another "el cheapo" NcStar 4x scope. The Gamo is just the current trial. What I really think I want is the Crosman LPA MIM open sight. One thing that's for sure, any scope that hangs over the portion of the breech where the pellets are loaded will interfere with loading pellets. Everyone's experience differs here and some folks even have trouble loading air guns that are unobstructed ???
Like others have said, scope selection depends on many things: proposed use, distance to target, level of disposable income and most importantly personal preference. Not always an easy choice.
RE: the mounts, the Crosman steel breech requires the use of rings designed for 11mm dovetail grooves (the standard on most .22 cal rifles). There are adaptors to make the steel breech 11mm dovetail compatible with Weaver/Picatinny mounting rings.
Do some more research, ask some more questions, send some PMs if you want more details. Everyone here has an idea on what they "think" is best. Bottom line is you have to make your own decision. Good luck :-*! Flex
Very good Flex. Yes, I got mine from Walmart, $74.17. I ordered the steel breech from Crosman, $35 then $14.00 shipping. After a little research I found the 3-9 Bugbuster for $79 here:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/16-SCP-M392AOIEWQ (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/16-SCP-M392AOIEWQ)
Now I need mounts. I've seen some guys going with high mounts to ease the loading process, I'm not sure what to get yet, maybe Walmart has weaver mounts, not sure.
After doing a bunch of research on the 2289 I accidently came accross the Maurauder. I am totally impressed with that gun and I bet I end up with one. 20 years ago I bought the very expensive HW 77. I think I had nearly $1,000 in that set up. I never warmed up to that thing mostly because it was so damn HUGE at over 9 pounds. I ended up trading it for an International Scout. Anyway the Maurauder is 7 pounds.
Blackdog if you are going to order parts from Crosman call them and the shipping is only $4.
Do you think this might be a good mount that works? It's the high style to give me more loading room.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/16-RGPM-25H4 (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/16-RGPM-25H4)
Quote from: targettgii on August 14, 2014, 05:37:55 AM
Blackdog if you are going to order parts from Crosman call them and the shipping is only $4.
Crap! I didn't know that! Thanks.
Quote from: Blackdog on August 14, 2014, 05:35:52 AM
Very good Flex. Yes, I got mine from Walmart, $74.17. I ordered the steel breech from Crosman, $35 then $14.00 shipping. After a little research I found the 3-9 Bugbuster for $79 here:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/16-SCP-M392AOIEWQ (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/16-SCP-M392AOIEWQ)
Now I need mounts. I've seen some guys going with high mounts to ease the loading process, I'm not sure what to get yet, maybe Walmart has weaver mounts, not sure.
Glad that you got yours thru WalMart! Good price. I forgot to mention it (Targettgii didn't) BUT ALWAYS order Crosman stuff by phone thru the Custom Shop Parts Dept. Most of the time (not always tho) S&H will be $4.00 instead of the website based ordering system "calculated" S&H. Live & Learn.
RE: the Bug Buster scope. Awesome looking scope! Lots of features (prolly more than you'll EVER need). If it's what you want then go for it. I'm not sure but the description on the CTD site makes it sound like mounting rings are included. If so, they will be of the Weaver/Picatinny type as this scope looks like it's designed for the AR platform. WalMart does carry 1" rings for mounting scopes on guns with 11mm dovetails grooves (like the Crosman steel breech).
The problem I see is that there is very little adjustment potential on such a short scope. The steel breech only has ~3 1/4" of space to mount the rings. The scope description,while not specific, makes me think that it is more of a long eye relief type scope. If so, you'll probably be better off getting an adaptor that lets you mount a Weaver/Picatinny rail atop the 11mm dovetail AND allows for some degree of forward placement of the scope.
Check out this link for an example of what i'm talking about http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Profile-Airgun-Picatinny-Adaptor/dp/B001CJ67E6/ref=pd_ys_sf_s_3375251_a1_1_p?ie=UTF8&refRID=1PBY9NNFSB72H0Y9RXAD (http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Profile-Airgun-Picatinny-Adaptor/dp/B001CJ67E6/ref=pd_ys_sf_s_3375251_a1_1_p?ie=UTF8&refRID=1PBY9NNFSB72H0Y9RXAD)
I hope you can get your components married up and start havin' some fun with your new air gun.
Flex
Flex. So you would mount that adapter forward on the breech so it wouldn't interfere with loading? The reason I like the bug buster is it's compact size. I was thinking a small carbine should have a small scope. But I understand your point about limited adjustment. I'll look at some none compacts also. My gun hasn't arrived yet. I'd like to get the scope/mounts sorted so I can start shooting ASAP (can you imagine that).
FWIW... I tried a compact Bugbuster on a P-rod and 2400KT and ended up returning it. For me, the eye relief was way too short and I always had to move my head around to get the optics lined up. I went with Hawke (HD 2-7x32) for both guns and for about the same price as a Bug Buster, it worked great.
Quote from: Blackdog on August 14, 2014, 04:03:50 PM
Flex. So you would mount that adapter forward on the breech so it wouldn't interfere with loading? The reason I like the bug buster is it's compact size. I was thinking a small carbine should have a small scope. But I understand your point about limited adjustment. I'll look at some none compacts also. My gun hasn't arrived yet. I'd like to get the scope/mounts sorted so I can start shooting ASAP (can you imagine that).
Well, I would mount it on the forward end of the breech if it was a long eye relief scope BUT I looked on the Pyramid Air site and the specs that are shown there indicate that the eye relief is 3-3.3". You will be hard pressed to be able to mount it FAR ENOUGH TO THE REAR! And the scope will have to span the pellet loading port of the breech. I suppose you could get the Weaver/Picatinny adaptor that I mentioned and mount it on the rear portion of the breech dovetail grooves allowing for a more rearward mount. Still, you would have very little room for adjustment.
Might I suggest that you look for a scope with a long eye relief, like maybe a pistol scope and set it up in a "scout rifle" configuration.
Read as many reviews as possible on your potential selections to find out what worked (and what didn't) for others. good luck!
Flex
PS, I forgot to add "Welcome to CAPOF" and YES you should still hide your wallet ;).
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I contacted Pyramid and ended up getting the Leapers UTG 4x32 AO Rifle Scope, Mil-Dot Reticle, 1/4 MOA, 1" Tube, 3/8" for $59. If I don't like it on the 2289 I'll put it on my 760.
This marks the end of another agonizing decision.
Here's what my doomsday gun is looking like. It's painted over, but I believe this is the Leapers UTG 4x32 Mil-Dot, which goes for $40 on PA right now. You need to put some 1" high relief dovetail rings on it though, so you don't interfere with the loading area. Those will run you another $20.
I'm not sure what there is not to like about it. Quality scope, fits the gun, mil dot, accurate, durable. Once assembled and sighted in you're good to go!
My gun arrived today. I'm glad I ordered the steel breech and scope as I could never live with the stock sights. The stock is too short for me, I'll figure out a fix for it. Also the gun is loud even with 3 pumps, have any of you found/made a suitable muzzle brake?
Agninga. I like your paint job. My scope is similar to yours but is the AO version. I don't know for sure but I think our scopes work better than the compacts as they can be mounted closer to the eye. My scope was the one recommended by PA.
So far I have $70 in Gun, $50 for steel breech and $70 for the scope. That's damn close to $190! But to ease my pain my last AR15 was $1,700 and the scope was $700!
It can definitely add up quick!!
TKO makes a nice LDC...http://www.tko22.com/ (http://www.tko22.com/)
Quote from: vertguy on August 16, 2014, 02:26:44 PM
It can definitely add up quick!!
TKO makes a nice LDC...http://www.tko22.com/ (http://www.tko22.com/)
I just ordered it, now I'm at $250! This has got to stop!
Quote from: Blackdog on August 16, 2014, 07:02:56 AM
The stock is too short for me, I'll figure out a fix for it.
There are some really nice, cheap mods posted here that look good too. Some really creative people here, just run a forum search.
i've got a 4-16 accushot on my DBO/2289 and and i wish i had got a 6-24 . i'm definitely a aim small miss small scope person ! LOL
i never use 4 x and rarely go below 6x and i'd like a little more power when shooting at 27 yards or farther .