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Title: Can I put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on April 10, 2010, 04:18:43 PM
Can I put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Title: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: garrobb on April 11, 2010, 12:18:58 AM
i'm not sure how the 1377 breech is made.   down the road i plan on getting one.    the rim secures on the scope rail, which is i believe  11mm -- 13mm.  i think i gave $82.50 for the rim w/1 mag.  and 1 additional mag.   a little expencive but saves alot of trouble loading pellets.
Title: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: packrat on April 11, 2010, 03:17:11 AM
RIM will only fit the 22XX series of Crosmans, the Benjamin Discovery. and the QB78/79 series rifles. However. with the steel breech, you in effect have the same 11mm rail system, so get that paypal account open!  I switch my RIM back and forth between the 2250 and the 2240, how sweet it is..and I believe you could make it work for .177 and .22 simply by getting the correct size magazines ;) ;) ;)  the mount is the same!!

http://www.qbmags.com/ (http://www.qbmags.com/)
Title: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: doorknob on May 06, 2010, 06:04:44 PM
Looks like the topic took a left turn, but I really want to know (and will keep driving it off track) - Would the RIM also fit the 2400kt?
Title: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on May 08, 2010, 05:03:57 PM
RIM will only fit the 22XX series of Crosmans, the Benjamin Discovery. and the QB78/79 series rifles. However. with the steel breech, you in effect have the same 11mm rail system, so get that paypal account open!  I switch my RIM back and forth between the 2250 and the 2240, how sweet it is..and I believe you could make it work for .177 and .22 simply by getting the correct size magazines ;) ;) ;)  the mount is the same!!

http://www.qbmags.com/ (http://www.qbmags.com/)
cool i have a steel breech in my 1377
rim something i want to get when i start my disco pistol build now
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: T191032 on May 17, 2010, 08:36:52 PM
just emailed QBMags about this subject.  Invited them to join the board and answer directly.
Title: Re: Response :
Post by: T191032 on May 17, 2010, 11:34:07 PM
Fast turnaround on a response :


"Re: Fitting a RIM to a Crosman Steel Breech 1377?
From:  jay joyner (mister.joyner@gmail.com) 
Sent: Mon 5/17/10 1:15 PM


Hello,
 
The Disco-Rim series is designed to fit the crosman 2240 long steel breech as well as the Discovery breech . The actual part no for the breech kit used for the design was the 2240
SBPK from Crosman as well as the stock Discovery breech. The mount wraps around the breech which measures 0.745" diameter on my Discovery breech. Tightening the clamp screw squeezes this diameter  The bottom of the moount wraps slightly around the .875" diameter gas tube. The bottom of the mount ends roughly .815" from the top of the breech. The mount is .5" thick and sits flush with the end of the pellet loading area at the vertical step on the breech. (See the pics in the manual) 
 
You can't use the Rim series with an extended bolt probe. Our custom bolt has a wire probe
and the backside that hits the cocking pin has been shortened by about .12" to allow clearance for the mag when the bolt is retracted. The bolt was made for the Discovery but
works on the 2240 breech as well. No bolt is available in .177 only 22.
 
I hope this provides enough information to answer the question.I am not familiar with the 1377
but if someone can email me a picture or link I'd be happy to give my opinion. Please
post this response. I'd love to chime in on the forum but I am making parts at the moment.
 
Feel free to contact me if you have more questions
 
Best regards
 
Jay Joyner
sales@qbmags.com"
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on May 18, 2010, 03:52:35 PM
cool
i think i have a 22xx breech
how do i find which breech i have?
i know the crosman site said a steel breech wont fit a phase 1 or 2 because the breech screw location changed but i have a steel breech on a phase 2 and a phase 3 breech on the other a phase 1
once i got to thinking a rim probably isnt the best mod for a 1377 with the pumping and all
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: T191032 on May 19, 2010, 01:43:04 AM
I kinda wonder if the difference really just comes down to the .22 bolt/o-ring as being the "difference" between them.  Afterall, they are priced the same in kit form.  Then again, I've been known to be wrong.  :-[
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: packrat on May 19, 2010, 02:51:21 AM
YUP!! Only difference is the bolt, and that is at the very end of the bolt...for a .22 the diameter is a wee bit larger , fitted with larger o-ring , so that it will seal up the .22 cal barrel....  .250" is pretty much the standard diameter for airgun bolts, it's only the "probe " end that's different, usually. With a RIM the back end of bolt is shortened a bit, but that's the only case I'm aware of where that shortening it is required.  BTW, I have a RIM, w/2 mags, in.22 caliber...SCHWEEEET. I can use it on my 2250, and my 2240...beware though, you can go through some pellets with that RIM installed, I mean A LOTTTT !!! :)
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: quickster47 † on May 19, 2010, 03:07:25 AM
Yea I sort of went RIM wild and ordered two of them and six extra cartridges for some serious plinking.

Hopefully they will be here this week and I can get one of them mounted.

Carl
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: packrat on June 24, 2010, 06:35:51 PM
I love it...you can change it around from gun to gun, etc,,,I use it mostly on my 2240.. Carl be sure you read the paperwork that comes with it...there's a list in there about which pellets work best as far as not "tipping"....the superdomes work EXCELLENT in mine ;)

I assume you bought both .177 and .22 caliber magazines??
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: smallgamesniper on July 24, 2010, 10:37:58 PM
So what's better on the 1377,.177 or .22?I wanna go with a .22 barrel.
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on July 24, 2010, 10:43:34 PM
So what's better on the 1377,.177 or .22?I wanna go with a .22 barrel.
.22 all the way 14.5-16"
you get way more fpe. i can get up to 20fpe with 14.5" barrel using kodiak 21.1gr
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: smallgamesniper on July 25, 2010, 04:49:08 AM
.22 all the way 14.5-16"
you get way more fpe. i can get up to 20fpe with 14.5" barrel using kodiak 21.1gr

I know that.I am talking about with the RIM set up.Does one operate smoother than the other?You know,less pellet hanging in the breech screw hole and port.

Oh,I been meaning to ask you,are you still using that 760 forearm on your 1377?
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on July 25, 2010, 05:20:19 AM
I know that.I am talking about with the RIM set up.Does one operate smoother than the other?You know,less pellet hanging in the breech screw hole and port.

Oh,I been meaning to ask you,are you still using that 760 forearm on your 1377?
oops :-[ i guess i should have read the title
as for the forearm im  [/youtube] using it. its just laying at the bottom of my spare parts bag
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: smallgamesniper on July 25, 2010, 05:51:15 AM
oops :-[ i guess i should have read the title
as for the forearm im  [/youtube] using it. its just laying at the bottom of my spare parts bag

You have a PM.
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: packrat on July 25, 2010, 05:48:17 PM
YES...you can use the RIM on anygun that has a Crosman steel breech, including a Benjamin Discovery :)
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: Plasticman on April 25, 2011, 08:00:51 PM
I have a scope on my 2240. Would I still be able to keep it ?Would there be clearance issues?
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on April 25, 2011, 09:16:19 PM
i think if you have high rings your good to go
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: quickster47 † on April 25, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
As previously mentioned, you will need tall rings under your scope so that the rim doesn't interfere with your scope.  But it can be done.

Carl
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: Plasticman on April 26, 2011, 12:18:50 AM
Thanks for the replies. I think the rim would be a nice mod
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: Madkoifish on July 12, 2011, 10:08:10 AM
My question is how well does it feed in 177? With the breech being generic to 177 and 22 Just manually loading you end up with backwards pellets or it hanging up. The 22 I have works a treat exp after I waxed the breech screw.
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: quickster47 † on July 12, 2011, 03:48:18 PM
It feeds the pellets just fine mainly because the pellets drop out of the cartridge/magazine directly into the proper place for the bolt to push it in.

Carl
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: arkmaker on November 15, 2011, 03:02:17 PM
Are the rim's still being made?
Thanks,
Rich
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on November 15, 2011, 03:23:18 PM
from whats being said around the community
they are npt answering emails
high probability they are not being made
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: quickster47 † on November 15, 2011, 03:51:19 PM
Joe is taking a break.  From the last time we exchanged eMails a while back, he was fed up with some of the air gun community and their demands and expectations.

Can't blame him.   :(

Carl
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: arkmaker on November 15, 2011, 04:15:10 PM
we're a demanding bunch.............got to have a think skin to be a vendor in this hobby!! Still, he did what I consider an original  :-* Hope he comes back to us.
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: cpu77 on December 31, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
I so want this setup for a 1322/1325 project I am working on!   I hope they start selling them!
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: ham484 on August 08, 2012, 03:27:18 PM
whats a rim :o
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: Cross Pistol Packer on August 08, 2012, 04:18:44 PM
Rotary Indexing Magazine.
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: markasaurus on August 15, 2012, 02:27:10 PM
http://www.qbmags.com/index.html (http://www.qbmags.com/index.html)
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on August 15, 2012, 08:54:36 PM
the last i heard they were [/youtube] available ???
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: Jetstream on August 19, 2012, 10:02:25 AM
 :-* :-* :-* I want one  8) .
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: Davio on August 21, 2012, 11:49:53 PM
the last i heard they were [/youtube] available ???
Any idea why?  Quality problems?

Somebody should make these...  :(
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on August 22, 2012, 01:08:01 AM
Any idea why?  Quality problems?

Somebody should make these...  :(
like other airgun parts makers they just quit making them doesnt put food on the table im guessing
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: zoneofenders on August 30, 2012, 09:14:42 AM
You want a RIM or this?http://bnm111.hpage.co.in/disco_special__70723515.html (http://bnm111.hpage.co.in/disco_special__70723515.html)
 That disco looks sweet brother(http://file1.hpage.com/007131/46/bilder/sdc11078.jpg)
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on August 30, 2012, 09:36:53 AM
the bnm is sweet but the rim was 1/3 the cost
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: zoneofenders on August 30, 2012, 09:51:58 AM
I hear ya, my 2240 is costing me a bit more than i first thought it would :( IT'S JUST SO DARN ADDICTIVE hahahahaha :-*
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: 1377x on August 30, 2012, 09:54:22 AM
I hear ya, my 2240 is costing me a bit more than i first thought it would :( IT'S JUST SO DARN ADDICTIVE hahahahaha :-*
you know it!
idle minds are the devils playground.crosman pistols are my playground ;)
Title: Re: can i put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: BDS on August 31, 2012, 11:30:26 PM
Any idea why?  Quality problems?

Somebody should make these...  :(

It had it's issues too, basically, it was a thumb advanced rotary mag that dropped a pellet into the trough ahead of the bolt probe but behind the breech opening. So...think of a bomber aircraft looking for the sweet spot to drop it's bomb. Wind? Elevation? Angle/speed? Bomb (pellet) shape?

All of these factors played into it's effectiveness, not to mention scope clearance. Good concept but... too many variables within the guns and shooters it was applied to IMO.
Title: Re: Can I put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: brz-ryder † on December 21, 2013, 07:22:16 AM
Their web site is [/youtube] working i don`t know when they shut it down but last i checked nothing

Jim
Title: Re: Can I put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: Davio on December 21, 2013, 08:28:48 PM
FWIW I got one several months ago on a barely used gun.  It is in the one of the NOT FOR SALE TREASURE CHESTS.    :)
Title: Re: Can I put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: ped on December 21, 2013, 09:23:42 PM
rowan engineering do a version of this and a chap in the czech republic makes one that auto index's for the xs78/79
ped
Title: Re: Can I put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: Davio on December 22, 2013, 05:45:26 AM
rowan engineering do a version of this and a chap in the czech republic makes one that auto index's for the xs78/79
ped
Was / is Rowan out of Canada?  Did his look very similar?  That may be what mine is.   ???
Title: Re: Can I put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: ped on December 22, 2013, 09:52:02 AM
there in the uk david but i've just looked on there site and can't see them for a crosman, they do them for other makes still
http://rowanengineering.com/products.htm (http://rowanengineering.com/products.htm)
ped
Title: Re: Can I put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: Davio on December 22, 2013, 01:23:38 PM
there in the uk david but i've just looked on there site and can't see them for a crosman, they do them for other makes still
http://rowanengineering.com/products.htm (http://rowanengineering.com/products.htm)
ped
I got a kick out of the "windicator"!  For the money I think I'll like my feather thingy better.   :)
Title: Re: Can I put a rim on my 1377 with crosman steel breech?
Post by: KevinP on December 22, 2013, 01:37:02 PM
Archer is making them for the QB's and the Crosman 160...
do you think the 160 will work on the 180 ?