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Title: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 13, 2019, 11:13:34 PM
My new 1701P silhouette review from day one.
The search for input on this pistol purchase is what brought me here to CAPOF.
The lack of info on this "high end" Crosman pistol is amazing to say the least. It seems to be a  prefered "donor" for it's trigger group is what you will find, but it comes with an LW barrel and the acclaimed trigger,plus a lot of other upgrades.... so I wanted one for my own to try out.
I hope this review helps others in the future.

After liking what I read, I went ahead and ordered one from Crosman direct and here is why.
PA shows the gun listed at $399.95, as a discount of the list price of $429.95 HERE (https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosman_Silhouette_PCP_Air_Pistol/2469)
Mother Crosman website on the other-hand has an MSRP of $374.95! HERE (https://www.crosman.com/1701p-silhouette-pcp-pistol-177) (Don't know where PA got their info but oh well).
I purchased it direct from Crosman on "Free Shipping Friday" and entered the 25% off "AGNATION" coupon code and got it for $300 shipped to my door.  :-\

On Friday I got an order Confirmation. Now, Take out Saturday and Sunday weekend. Monday I got an order Shipped with tracking info. Today, Wednesday, the pistol was delivered and shortly after I got a delivery conformation email. WOW!

The pistol arrived double boxed and the inner box has egg crate foam to protect the contents... NICE!
 My only qualm is on the outer box side was a sticker that said "PISTOL, 1701P, SILHOUETTE" and the top was the factory sticker with the GUN SPECS. So ANY unscrupulous employee at UPS could plainly see what the contents was and claimed "lost it in shipping". Fortunately, that was not the case for me.

 Upon unpacking, I was pleasantly surprised to find not only the BEAUTY pistol, well preserved in oil...but a 25yrd "Proof Target" of 5 shots in a keyholed pattern.
I have only seen this on my high end target rifle purchases... I understand now this is what Crosman believes it is slated to be.It arrived with 1000psi on the gauge. I do not know what they ship them out with but to me this is a good sign of no leaks.

Tonight I am going to "oil her up" with a rub down on the exterior surfaces with Breakfree CLP on a cloth and clean the barrel with "Goo-Gone" then plenty of dry swabs. Then I will mount the Cocobolo wood CCS grips I have waiting for her and the BSA Edge 2X20 scope.
Good times ahead!

Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: mr007s on February 14, 2019, 12:34:04 AM
Welcome to the forum. I think you will be very happy with the 1701.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 14, 2019, 03:06:02 AM
Welll.. all I can say is WOW!
I pulled a "Goo-Gone" wetted swab through the barrel and it came out almost clean. Polar opposite of my previous guns. Usually the first is "cosmolene brown" So I followed with 5 dry ones and then began the wipe down of the exterior.... Ooooh pretty!  :)
 I put on my wood grips and instead of mounting the BSA scope, I went with my "spare" iron sights. After all this is just a trial right?

Aired it up with my Joe B. "ExpertHPA" 1600psi regged Ninja bottle that had 2200 psi on tap. This Regulator has been dead nuts accurate at 1600psi for a year... but after the fill (attempted twice) the guns gauge read 1300psi.  :-[

OK... Onto the shooting.
I bought this gun in an attempt to break into pistol match competition...
 First thing I noticed was QUIET! no moderator needed indoors.

Next was the R-10 pellet went exactly where the sight was when I pulled the trigger... and I mean exactly!
As soon as I took the shot, I knew where it was going to be.

 Then.. the trigger is amazing out of the box. Once I get better I may tune it, but for now it is crazy smooth compared to my "tuned" 2240 trigger, even  my  adjustable 2300KT set up.

 Lastly, after 6 offhand one hand shots, I realized this ain't gonna be easy...
First 2 shots were high, the remaining shots got steadily closer to the bull.
....and that is the FUN of all this right!

Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: crossliner on February 14, 2019, 03:26:32 AM
How is the breech and tube finish on that pistol?

Is it bereft of anomalies like nicks, uneven anodizing, scratches, etc?

Thanks.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: BillK on February 14, 2019, 05:52:31 AM
Nice writeup for the 1701P.  As mentioned, there is little or nothing to complain about with that shooter.  It just hits where you aim it. :)
Very nice looking grips. :-*
I found it took me about 30 shots a day to get in the bull on a consistent level.  Practice-shoot-practice-shoot-practice.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Brutuz on February 14, 2019, 09:46:04 AM
Thanks for sharing  :-*

Ticked the "Notify me of replies." box as this is interesting and allways have been keen on this pistol but to cough up that amount allways kept me from buying it. Who know what happens..... But for now... they are asking 1 euro shy of 500 Euro in the Netherlands, that's app 560 US $  :-X

Enjoy your new pistol (congrats) and have fun and please keep sharing.  :-*
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 14, 2019, 12:04:09 PM
Thanks folks, The night flew by, it was late and I realized I hadn't eaten supper yet.
Could not put this pistol down!

How is the breech and tube finish on that pistol?

Is it bereft of anomalies like nicks, uneven anodizing, scratches, etc?

Thanks.

The finish is a nice even matte, no knicks or blems. The lettering is quite crisp.... and the barrel, tube and breech match each other very well.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Tater on February 14, 2019, 01:03:21 PM
Congrats on the pistol!
It comes with no sites you said?
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: crossliner on February 14, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Yes, no rear sight but it does have a front.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Jimbo on February 14, 2019, 03:11:07 PM
I want one!  Maybe next Christmas.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 14, 2019, 03:19:18 PM
Correct, no rear sites. I mounted the set of "Match Sights" I had gotten from Alchemy a couple years ago.
 They are actually a Chinese piece, I believe what comes on the QB air rifles (SAG). Sold on Steve Archers website as well.
Thos have a history of not being able to be lowered enough on the elevation (shoots high) on Crosman pistols without an extended front sight pin.
  This was the case on the 1701P as well, I was adjusting the POA to compensate.

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/291290558602_/MATCH-GRADE-REAR-SIGHT-For-Crosman-Steel-Breech.jpg)



Thanks for the interest folks, I will post more when I get another chance to play with my new toy.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: jebhoge on February 14, 2019, 10:54:17 PM
Nice. I might get to shoot one of our club 1701Ps tonight, if the mood strikes. :)
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 18, 2019, 04:53:44 PM
VERY successful Friday evening.
 I used my hand pump and counted 24 strokes to get it from 1000psi to 3000 on the pump's gauge. The gauge on board the pistol read 2800.
I wanted to see just how accurate the pistol is taking as much of "me" out of the variables as possible.  :-[
 I set up the indoor 10M bench range (AKA: card table in the family room thru the open door to utility room) and got the bag at arms length. Used the 8.2g Meisters.
 After 20 shots I came to the realization
1) That sight does not adjust elevation "down" far enough, I was having to have my POA at an exaggerated 6:00, just like the 1377 and 2240.
2) My eyes are getting too old for iron sights. The gun was capable of groups but I was not, at least repeatedly. I can not see the detail of the bull with my right eye that far out. So I paused and mounted my BSA 2X20 scope and continued on....

 HOLEY COW... what a PISTOL! It was SO easy to zero the scope because each 5 shot group was a large single hole.
This thing scoped off the bag is just as accurate as my match rifles.
 I also wanted to get an idea of shot count off a full charge. I recorded the shot and the pressures every ten shots after mounting the scope... shooting it down until the accuracy fell off, sorta, more like the POI lowered but it still grouped well down to 1100psi indicated.
2800- start
2500 - 20 (scope installed)
2250 - 40
1900 - 50
1750 - 60
1450 - 70 (started to drop)
1100 - 80

So that proved to me this pistol can get 70 usable shots will little to no change in POI, I wish I had a chrony but the power seemed to change very little.

All in all I am thrilled with this pistol.
Next will be to see how I do off hand with a scope, then what pellets it prefers. I plan on picking up a few tins of the 7.0g Meisterkugeln pistol wadcutters as all I have are the rifle weight 8.2 Meisters and R-10's... and just a few RWS Basics in 7.0g left in an old tin.

Thanks for reading guys... this is a HOOT to SHOOT!
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: RetatCDude on February 18, 2019, 09:20:26 PM
Now,
Stainless steel screws for the grips, stainless steel screws to old the top end on and a nice stainless steel safety and Stainless Steel screws for the rings..
Airwerks sells all of it...
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 19, 2019, 12:34:52 AM
Oh my goodness Frank... :-\  :-*

I am a "repeat customer" of AlchemyAirwerks. Might have to give Dave a call.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Termite on February 19, 2019, 07:28:55 PM
Beautiful pistols you guys have!  Really like the shrouded barrel. 
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Termite on February 19, 2019, 07:32:54 PM
RetatCDude,

Where did you get the barrel band that fit the shroud or did you make it? Thanks!
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: crossliner on February 19, 2019, 08:41:24 PM
I think the CF is just a wrap.

I dunno if the barrel band is wide enough though to accommodate the thin sheath though.

Probably sanded a bit to increase the ID.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 19, 2019, 09:09:49 PM
Nah... his barrel is definitely larger OD than mine, like a shroud would be.
Look at the gap between the barrel and tube on mine compared to his.
 Maybe an M-rod band?
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: RetatCDude on February 19, 2019, 10:10:29 PM
That is a 1720T with carbon fiber wrap from the Auto Parts Store...
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Termite on February 20, 2019, 12:27:06 AM
Well you did a great job on the wrap. I've used CF looking wrap to take some slop out of adjustable butt stocks.  It's just thick enough to take the slop out but still function properly.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Wayne52 on February 23, 2019, 04:27:19 AM
Great shooter you got there Scott !!!
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 23, 2019, 01:31:21 PM
Thanks Wayne, yes it is...
Here is 10 shots at 10M off the bag.
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Termite on February 26, 2019, 01:52:16 PM
Great group! You got a keeper for sure!  Wow, 70 shots with only 24 pumps, that's great!
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 26, 2019, 11:29:14 PM
It is a PSI "sipper" for sure.
 Nothing like watching the pellet travel to exactly where you aimed through the scope.
 :)
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: nogolem on March 21, 2019, 03:53:43 PM
Thanks for sharing  :-*

Ticked the "Notify me of replies." box as this is interesting and allways have been keen on this pistol but to cough up that amount allways kept me from buying it. Who know what happens..... But for now... they are asking 1 euro shy of 500 Euro in the Netherlands, that's app 560 US $  :-X

Enjoy your new pistol (congrats) and have fun and please keep sharing.  :-*
€ 379,05 As listed today not counting shipping from France until tomorrow 22/03
(there is a 5% off to add until tomorrow : promo code PROMO5 ) EXPENSIVE in Europe! :
https://www.armurerie-auxerre.com/pistolet-pcp-crosman-1701p-silhouette-4-5-mm.html
Armurerie Auxerre is one of the biggest in France, I am quite sure they ship in Europe......
Your grip are beautiful and It is very difficult for us to buy those since GMAC stopped selling Wood grips...

Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on March 21, 2019, 04:05:37 PM
Thank you Nogolem, I an certainly falling in love with shooting this gun. I am still trapped indoors at 10M. I can not wait for the spring  weather to arrive.

Dang, that 399 Euros is of $450 USD!
 Wonder what shipping would be from here to there?
Title: Re: New 1701P... what brought me here.
Post by: nogolem on March 21, 2019, 04:15:27 PM
(https://nsa40.casimages.com/img/2019/03/21/190321040800202429.png) (https://www.casimages.com/i/190321040800202429.png.html)
they write free shipping to France, and I simulated a shipping to belgium and it works....nothing listed for Nederland....
At armurerie auxerre It is always Free shipping if you buy at least €150....
do not call them on phone since It is an expensive call number, they answer Mail though....
"contactez nous par e-mail" link at the bottom of the page.... or "contact" link....

It is a "destockage" (those crosman do not sell very well in France) Maybe a negociation would work by e-mail...
On the french forum, nobody bought any 1701P for years....