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Title: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Jimmy_2k9 on February 04, 2011, 07:30:46 AM
First of all, Hello. I'm new to the site just signed up last night.

My reason for joining the site is the fact that I had been planning to buy myself a new Crosman 1377. I stumbled across this board while doing research on the gun, found a lot of useful information here btw.  :-*


Ok, so I'll go ahead and get to the point here. So after a few days worth of internet searching, making sure the 1377 was the gun I'm looking for, I decided tonight I'll just go pick one up. I had been a little sketchy about making my purchase from Wal-mart, since I'm well aware of the specific-mass-production-products that companies send to these stores. As a lifelong fisherman I've ended up purchasing various rods and reels from Walmart, especially with fairly expensive reels You'll notice lack of quality, in a otherwise high quality item. (if purchased from say, a sporting goods store)

I wasn't sure if this same lack of quality for sake of mass production would affect air guns. This hobby is pretty much all new to me, sure I had dozens of air guns as a kid growing up, but that's been a good 15 years ago. Well... Turns out that is exactly the case, because my purchase tonight was absolutely unacceptable.

For the price of the gun ($54 is what I payed) I wasn't expecting it to be made of the finest materials known to man. I did however, expect My product to not be a used one... Yeah that is correct, My brand new gun, perfectly sealed in factory packaging on the store rack, full price gun had a previous owner... (The plastic package was indeed factory sealed, YOU know how frustrating they are to open, NO chance the previous owner got it out without at LEAST "dinging up" the plastic.)


At this point I know what your thinking, "Well, how do You know for sure it was used?" well, I've got a list of examples here.

1. Dings on the barrel. (not little scratches, but rather deep ones with silver from the metal showing.)
2. Finger prints and smudges all over the gun. (Obviously not mine, as I hadn't even touched the whole gun yet.)
3. RUST (Rust underneath the barrel in patches, all along the entire length of it, rust under the pump in patches, pretty much on every piece under there.)
4. Multiple screws on the gun, are slightly shaved as if someone was tampering with them, I'd think Crosman has been doing this long enough to not shave screws when assembling guns, so I assume this also came from the previous owner.
**Here come the good ones!**
5. The barrel has been shimmed... I read about plenty of folks needing to apply some kind of glue or piece of aluminum or something, to keep the barrel from moving around. Well, right underneath the plastic front sight, someone has stuffed some kind of material in there along with some kind of glue. (They actually did a real nice job, but if Your looking for it You can see it.) But yeah it obviously wasn't work done my Crosman...
6. Someone carved a letter on it. There is a little "W", obviously carved/scratched on to the gun. It is near the trigger right under the safety button.



Just put my camera on charge, once its done I'll post some pictures up. Just thought I'd give some people a heads up, if You plan on guying one of these guns, I'd avoid going where I did... Maybe its a freak accident, maybe this sort of thing happens often, I'm not sure. Being skeptical before buying there, then getting what I got... Yeah.


Here are some pics.
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw035.jpg?t=1296810886)
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw033.jpg?t=1296810983)
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw032.jpg?t=1296810983)
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw031.jpg?t=1296810983)
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw028.jpg?t=1296810983)
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw022.jpg?t=1296810983)
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw010.jpg?t=1296810983)
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw042.jpg?t=1296810983)
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw009.jpg?t=1296810983)
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/jimmy2k9/waw008.jpg?t=1296810983)


Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Ddevil54r on February 04, 2011, 08:17:29 AM
Wow, I don't know how your walmart operates but I would be taking that right back and exchanging it!
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: airguns100 on February 04, 2011, 08:48:30 AM
 ;D

That's crazy. If you have your bill return the product in exchange for a new one. They really won't mind doing that if you just want another gun. Sometimes they get fussy if you want your money back.

If they still won't exchange it ask to speak with a manager and explain to him/her the dangers of a broken GUN and the safety issues surrounding it. At that point they WILL give you a exchange.  :-*

-Rye
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Jimmy_2k9 on February 04, 2011, 09:25:04 AM
Oh I've already talked to a lady about returning it, explained everything that was wrong. She said they would absolutely allow me to exchange it for a "new" one. I'm not really upset about the whole deal, I knew buying it there in the first place was risky. I'm just impatient and had to have one, don't like to order things online unless I can't buy it locally.

It's just that someone, somewhere thought it would be ok to put a very obviously used gun, in a new package and sell it as such. If I wanted it used I could go to airgundepot.com and get one for $35. Also the fact that there is a random middleman, some random person had this gun. Normally that isn't a big deal, if its a known return it would be inspected for any tampering hopefully. The condition the gun is in leads me to believe it was never checked out, between the middle man and the new box. Even if a blind man inspected it, he'd know its not right, he'd feel the gashes in the barrel at least.
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Jimmy_2k9 on February 04, 2011, 10:25:31 AM
Added the pictures, My camera is fairly old so not the best pics. You can still certainly tell this isn't a "new" gun.
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: airguns100 on February 04, 2011, 11:16:12 AM
That's not a 1377. That's a Crosman pumpmaster PC77. It's almost the same thing, minus the plastic frame and square tab the sear spring sits on.

Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: quickster47 † on February 04, 2011, 01:27:56 PM
Take it back to WalMart post haste.  They will exchange it and give you a new one.

One 'Quick' question, was it in a blister pack and was that blister pack sealed?

Carl
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Jimmy_2k9 on February 04, 2011, 01:41:53 PM
Interesting, I just thought it lacked the 1337 label on the box. I'm still very much a noob at this. I'm going to assume this gun will still accept all available mods that makes the 1337 so popular? *crosses fingers*
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Jimmy_2k9 on February 04, 2011, 01:45:47 PM
Yeah it was sealed in the blister pack, I always check the edges of those things trying to pry apart a section with my fingernails. Had to locate some scissors to cut it out.
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: quickster47 † on February 04, 2011, 01:52:03 PM
Interesting, I just thought it lacked the 1337 label on the box. I'm still very much a noob at this. I'm going to assume this gun will still accept all available mods that makes the 1337 so popular? *crosses fingers*

You bet it will.  Have at it and start working on it if you decide to keep it.

Carl
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: arkmaker on February 04, 2011, 02:32:36 PM
I bought my 1377 at Dick's Sporting Goods. I was looking at the barrel crowns though the package the best I could and then started noticeing little dings on the barrel and tube. I found what looked to be the best one and upon opening that damn clam pack it turned out to be very good.

My 2240 came from PA and had a really nasty ding in the barrel. I plan on going with a longer one so I did not send it back, but my point is that it's a crap shoot no matter where they come from. Thay are mass produced and factory handling accounts for most damage, I suspect.
Rich

Edit: But yeah...bring it back!!!!
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Crosshairs on February 04, 2011, 06:26:10 PM
First of all Welcome Jimmy. I hate Walmart ! But i would take that back as soon as i could.Then when you get another one check it before you leave.That said the 1377 is a great gun,good luck with it.SHOOT SAFE !!!  :-*
                  Mike
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: ChokingVictim on February 04, 2011, 07:01:01 PM
I have a PC77 and it has a better build quality than my 1377. In fact i am using it as a base for my new build. While my PC77 has no "W" on it maybe certain factories mark the Walmart frames with a "W" since they have the extra hole for the safety cover. If that factory produces both frames they may mark some for quick identification.

Just a shot in the dark but i thought i would throw it out there.

-Tom
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: steveo1989 on February 04, 2011, 10:17:56 PM
I have a PC77 and it has a better build quality than my 1377. In fact i am using it as a base for my new build. While my PC77 has no "W" on it maybe certain factories mark the Walmart frames with a "W" since they have the extra hole for the safety cover. If that factory produces both frames they may mark some for quick identification.

Just a shot in the dark but i thought i would throw it out there.

-Tom

I was thinking the same thing...Walmart has VERY BAD ways of dealing with manufacturers.  They tell them, "We'll pay you x.xx dollars per piece, and you will provide YYY pieces per year.  If you can't meet the price and quantity, we'll carry another product."  Most manufacturers will do it, because if they don't they're [/youtube] in the biggest retail store in the world.  How do meet the demand?  They produce a "special model" which is usually sub-standard.  Ruger does this with the 10/22 as well.  I don't like Walmart, and will not shop there.

Sorry for the rant....
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Jimmy_2k9 on February 05, 2011, 03:47:31 AM
Just got back from walmart, went to go check out the other guns before I returned mine. Had the guy come over and take the silly plastic locks off the rack so I could check them all out. I looked at all five of the guns they had, every single one has the dings and scratches along the barrel and pump rail. I decided I'd be better off keeping the gun, because at least it shots very accurately, no defects in performance that I've noticed.


If anyone knows of a decent way to clean up the dings and scratches on mine let me know. Also, walmart doesn't seem to carry any sort of air gun oil, I notice my gun is very dry in places that should be lubed up a bit. What other types of oil or lube could I possibly use? I'd assume air gun oil is very very fine and light, I've got some Abu Garcia fishing reel oil but not sure if that would work.
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: quickster47 † on February 05, 2011, 04:24:58 AM
Well there is certainly a lot of mystery around air gun oil but truth be known, what you have will work.  Biggest thing is, DON'T over lube your gun.  A drop of oil goes a long, long way.

BTW, glad you got the issue resolved.  Now you can move on to more serious stuff like your first mod.

Carl
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: 62Falcon on February 05, 2011, 04:58:46 AM
Just got back from walmart, went to go check out the other guns before I returned mine. Had the guy come over and take the silly plastic locks off the rack so I could check them all out. I looked at all five of the guns they had, every single one has the dings and scratches along the barrel and pump rail. I decided I'd be better off keeping the gun, because at least it shots very accurately, no defects in performance that I've noticed.

Sounds like the entire shipment got damaged somehow. What bothers me the most is the rust. What the hay is up with that? I would return it just for the rust and get one from Amazon instead, but it is your call of course. Good luck with it if you decide to keep it.

~Falcon
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: airguns100 on February 05, 2011, 10:44:25 AM
Interesting, I just thought it lacked the 1337 label on the box. I'm still very much a noob at this. I'm going to assume this gun will still accept all available mods that makes the 1337 so popular? *crosses fingers*

Yes it will.  :-*
The only thing i'v heard was the grips are a little bit different.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/thread/1280960371/New+Crosman+Model (http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/thread/1280960371/New+Crosman+Model)
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: steveo1989 on February 05, 2011, 12:59:04 PM
Yup, its a walmart model...it looks the same, but it isn't....people will buy it because it "looks" the same.  Made in China crap.  That's why it has a different name - not an American Classic any more.

sooo sad.

Just like with Schwinn bicycles.  The ones at walmart are NOT the same as the ones at bike shops.  HUGE difference.  Yet, people who don't know what a quality bike is, but knows the name Schwinn from the past, will say, "why would I pay 500 bux for a schwinn from a bike shop when I can get it at walmart for 300 bux?  Same bike."

Not.
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Crosshairs on February 05, 2011, 01:52:13 PM
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at first glance i thought i was sporting a new 1377c,but when i examined it.....model # is pc77.
so i done a little research and found a thread explaining the differences between the 2.
i called crosman,they stat the pc77 is a model code to specify built for walmart sales,and nothing on the gun is different from the beloved 1377c .

Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: quickster47 † on February 05, 2011, 02:20:36 PM
Mike your link is returning an empty page indicating the link is broke or incorrect.

Carl


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Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: bdb12586 on February 05, 2011, 02:42:59 PM
I was thinking the same thing...Walmart has VERY BAD ways of dealing with manufacturers.  They tell them, "We'll pay you x.xx dollars per piece, and you will provide YYY pieces per year.  If you can't meet the price and quantity, we'll carry another product."  Most manufacturers will do it, because if they don't they're [/youtube] in the biggest retail store in the world.  How do meet the demand?  They produce a "special model" which is usually sub-standard.  Ruger does this with the 10/22 as well.  I don't like Walmart, and will not shop there.

Sorry for the rant....
x2, I hate walmart. I worked for a company that use to do work for them on an a national level. I never go there. stores are dirty, emplyees rude and barely speek english" around here anyway"
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: steveo1989 on February 05, 2011, 03:01:52 PM
x2, I hate walmart. I worked for a company that use to do work for them on an a national level. I never go there. stores are dirty, emplyees rude and barely speek english" around here anyway"

Yup, and why would Crosman "label something different" just so it can be known as a walmart special, if it's the same as another product?  They took the American Classic name, removed it, had it made in China, (cheaper), sold it to walmart (cheaper) so walmart can carry the brand. 

Is the walmart name fashionable, or does it mean quality to people??   "yeah, baby, this is a Rolex Subwalmarter."  Um, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: ChokingVictim on February 05, 2011, 03:20:00 PM
Yup, and why would Crosman "label something different" just so it can be known as a walmart special, if it's the same as another product?  They took the American Classic name, removed it, had it made in China, (cheaper), sold it to walmart (cheaper) so walmart can carry the brand. 

Is the walmart name fashionable, or does it mean quality to people??   "yeah, baby, this is a Rolex Subwalmarter."  Um, I don't think so.

Just checked out the packaging in walmart. its says made in the usa with some foreign components. So atleast the QC should be done here.
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: airguns100 on February 05, 2011, 04:15:43 PM
Yup, its a walmart model...it looks the same, but it isn't....people will buy it because it "looks" the same. 

  The ones at walmart are NOT the same

Not.

agreed.
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Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: arkmaker on February 06, 2011, 11:11:01 AM
from the Crosman website for the 1377 American Classic;

*In some retail outlets this product is known as the PC77 "Pumpmaster Classic"
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Ddevil54r on February 10, 2011, 09:41:49 AM
So my pc77 is an inferior 1377?!? :'( suck
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: eric on February 10, 2011, 02:54:21 PM
So my pc77 is an inferior 1377?!? :'( suck
not really, different maybe --- yours has the new grip frame which will except the m/p rod trigger group. can that be all that bad ?  ;) :)
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: arkmaker on February 10, 2011, 09:34:08 PM
As I said in another post. They will all be designated as PC77 sometime in the near future.
Rich
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Oane on February 10, 2011, 09:40:16 PM
so all the 1377/pc77 will have the new trigger frame? and we all can put the marauders trigger group on our pumpers? that aint too bad me thinks.
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: ChokingVictim on February 10, 2011, 10:11:50 PM
So my pc77 is an inferior 1377?!? :'( suck

Not really. And if you are an addict like me. by the time you are done modding it. the only original parts will be the frame and pump tube. :)
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Crosshairs on February 10, 2011, 10:20:05 PM
My new 1377 has the new trigger, Missing plastic spacer, and added screw in the plate. But it is mint not a mark on it. i got it in November i think  2010.The bottem is the new one i painted the plastic on the middle one.All are American Classics
                           Mike
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Crosshairs on February 10, 2011, 10:27:02 PM
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MiYSIJ-q7w#]three generation of the 1377[/url]   This is an old youtube vid.
                                                                                 Mike
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: kaba on February 10, 2011, 11:18:36 PM
I would return it for a replacement if a suitable one were available. Or insist on a full refund if not. When we passively accept such products we send a message to both the retailer and manufacturer that defective products and shoddy workmanship is an acceptable standard. It shouldn't be. I'm not a perfectionist. But I do insist on a reasonable level of competence in those products I buy. I wouldn't impose such workmanship on my clients and I won't accept it from others.
Title: Re: Brand new 1377 from Walmart, had a previous owner...
Post by: Crosshairs on February 11, 2011, 12:27:23 AM
Get your money back and get a American Classic.
                        Mike