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Title: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: breakfastchef on January 15, 2013, 04:51:04 AM
Mike at TKO is very close to finally releasing the 1911 style trigger. I have eyed those for months and months, but, alas, I have vconverted over to the 1701P grip frames/trigger group. Maybe he can make a 1911 trigger for that?

http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/thread/1358212785/The+TKO+%26quot%3B1911-22xx%26quot%3B+Triggers+are+nearing+completion... (http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/thread/1358212785/The+TKO+%26quot%3B1911-22xx%26quot%3B+Triggers+are+nearing+completion...)
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 15, 2013, 06:00:30 AM
I been bugging Mike about those for months!
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: Noah on January 15, 2013, 06:01:34 AM
Good call, Larry!

Yes, I have also had an eye on these for many moons and will hopefully snag one soon. Thanks for the heads up  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 1377x on January 15, 2013, 09:05:49 AM
nice trigger!
if only the blade was a little wider
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 15, 2013, 06:08:43 PM
nice trigger!
if only the blade was a little wider

The trigger is 1/4" wide.

I talked to Mike this morning, the trigger kits are available now.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: ped on January 15, 2013, 08:53:21 PM
that looks good might have to have one of these what sort of price are they
ped
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: Bill L. on January 15, 2013, 10:06:00 PM
Just called him,18 bucks. I will have 3 coming today as soon as he has the pay button set up  :).
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: ped on January 15, 2013, 10:18:23 PM
cheers bill
ped
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 1377x on January 15, 2013, 10:21:00 PM
The trigger is 1/4" wide.

I talked to Mike this morning, the trigger kits are available now.
it didnt look that wide on the gun
might have to check one out
heck if i dont like it i can always sell it
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: Bill L. on January 15, 2013, 11:15:11 PM
I like the lower adjustment arm idea.With a little polishing I thank it will make a good single stage adjustable trigger.He told me he might add a screw to the arm later for people that can't drill a hole in the frame and tap it.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: Crosshairs on January 16, 2013, 01:21:07 AM
I just ordered one.
                    Mike
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 1377x on January 16, 2013, 01:23:23 AM
uh oh!
jump on them fast they will be gone soon
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 18, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
And you still won't be as fast as I am  ;D ;D ;D

Order Date: 1/15
Mail Date: 1/17
Receive Date: 1/18 Thanks Mike!

Snatched from the mailbox moments ago! The trigger is nice, very nice. It came with the 6-32 grub screw and one of Mike's hardened steel pivot pins. A small instruction sheet is also included in the ziploc bag. You can go to the TKO website if you want to read it in color.

I'll be using a stock 2240 grip frame with mold markings intact in the place where you must drill and tap for the grub screw. The instructions tell you this is the best way to get the placement right. Just so you know, last night I started working the mold marks off the frame everywhere else  ;)

As this progresses I'll keep you up to date with pictures and notes.

Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 1377x on January 18, 2013, 04:42:38 PM
it still looks pretty narrow for 1/4" wide
can someone post a front view? preferrably next to a stock trigger
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: ped on January 18, 2013, 06:33:55 PM
i must admit it does look narrower than a 1/4" i've just emailed mike to see if he'll ship one to uk as they look quite nice
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 18, 2013, 06:40:04 PM
it still looks pretty narrow for 1/4" wide
can someone post a front view? preferrably next to a stock trigger

Do the math ED...

Crosman stock (monkey metal) trigger width = .186"

TKO "1911 Combat Trigger" width = .122" (probably starts with .125" stock, then the surface finish so .003" less)

.122" minus .186" equals .059"

 ???
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: quickster47 † on January 18, 2013, 06:47:38 PM
Do the math ED...

Crosman stock (monkey metal) trigger width = .186"

TKO "1911 Combat Trigger" width = .122" (probably starts with .125" stock, then the surface finish so .003" less)

.122" minus .186" equals .059"

 ???

Okay, I'll be the huckleberry here.

Ed mentioned that it did not look to be 1/4" (0.25") wide and nowhere in your reply do I see the 1/4" (0.25") mentioned.

Can you explain it further, please?

Carl
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 1377x on January 18, 2013, 07:51:32 PM
The trigger is 1/4" wide.

I talked to Mike this morning, the trigger kits are available now.
i do believe this is chomgman that said this
correct me if i am wrong
Okay, I'll be the huckleberry here.

Ed mentioned that it did not look to be 1/4" (0.25") wide and nowhere in your reply do I see the 1/4" (0.25") mentioned.

Can you explain it further, please?

Carl

Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 1377x on January 18, 2013, 07:54:25 PM
Do the math ED...

Crosman stock (monkey metal) trigger width = .186"

TKO "1911 Combat Trigger" width = .122" (probably starts with .125" stock, then the surface finish so .003" less)

.122" minus .186" equals .059"

 ???

are these not your words?

The trigger is 1/4" wide.

I talked to Mike this morning, the trigger kits are available now.
just going off your words chongman
so the math here is 1+1 =0
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 18, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
Ok, I said it wrong, it's NOT .250, it's .125 what are you going to do?

Installation ended
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 1377x on January 18, 2013, 08:01:19 PM
Ok, I said it wrong, it's NOT .250, it's .125 what are you going to do?

Installation ended
the math
000000
you said it

know your roll
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: onebaddj on January 18, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
Just hit order on mine! Been watching them for a while. This will give me an excuse to do a nice trigger job on my 2400. And to think 2 weeks ago i said i was done with it!  ;D

IT NEVER ENDS! YOU PEOPLE NEED TO STOP MAKING SUCH IRRESISTABLE PARTS!
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 1377x on January 18, 2013, 08:22:41 PM
Just hit order on mine! Been watching them for a while. This will give me an excuse to do a nice trigger job on my 2400. And to think 2 weeks ago i said i was done with it!  ;D

IT NEVER ENDS! YOU PEOPLE NEED TO STOP MAKING SUCH IRRESISTABLE PARTS!
oh it doesnt stop
i want to see it on a gun with a range report
it kinda looks like the finger pad could use a polishing
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: Crosshairs on January 18, 2013, 11:50:28 PM
Looks nice. I can't wait to get mine.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: RC1947 on January 19, 2013, 12:01:26 AM
Looks like a nice trigger setup.  It's nice to know that there are creative people thinking, and producing ways to improve out guns. :-* RC
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 19, 2013, 02:13:46 AM
OK, no more comments from the peanut gallery. You have issues with the trigger, get one in your hand and then make your comments.

For those that are serious about this fantastic new part...

The trigger is sooooooo sweet. You will be amazed at what it feels like. The travel is short.

As stated in the instructions, plain as day, in black and white... and here in red...

"There may be a need to fit the trigger to some frames. We haven't seen any problems with the 4 frames we have tested, but if fitting is required for your particular frame, these areas may need to be filed down to fit.

The 3-screw grip frame trigger cover will need to be altered to use the 1911 blade. Simply trim the small protrusion with a knife or scissors.


I only had one place on the trigger (it's circled in the instructions) that needed fitting and that was for the safety pin to engage properly. A little bit of work with a file fixed that quickly, A stock Crosman black plastic safety and a Don Cothran stainless steel safety works perfect.

Maybe these pictures will help you. All that's left to do is drill the hole in the frame and tap for the grub screw. If you like, I will post that picture too.

Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: breakfastchef on January 19, 2013, 02:42:42 AM
I ordered mine on 1/15 and it has not arrived yet. Chongman, keep the photos coming so my learning curve is reduced.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 19, 2013, 06:10:51 AM
This is my current setup. I still want to turn a sear spring guide or "button". All the ones I have already made changed the trigger pull weight to much. No problem, got a couple more feet so I'll get it right and then make a bunch of them. With the brass adjuster and spring from the Crosman Custom shop the trigger pull is very light. In my 2300KT I use it turned all the way down. When I tested with the TKO 1911 trigger I ended up about three turns up to get the same pull.

I did not get to drilling the hole for the grub screw. My 6-32 tap...is crap  ;D I have some 4-40 stainless grubs and a real fine set of 4-40 taps so I might go that route instead.

On the face of the trigger...

It came with the machining marks on the surface. You could leave it as is and have a little "grip feel" or work it with some files and abrasives like I'm showing. It can be polished out to a mirror shine if you like. I was thinking of maybe cutting a few grooves in the face, lengthwise. Don't like the pointed corners? Round them off! The trigger is aluminum and very easy to work. It's a custom part that begs to be further customized  :-*
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: quickster47 † on January 19, 2013, 02:27:09 PM
Looks mighty good there Chongman.  Good details and explanations.

Guess I'll be on the list to get mine this month.

Carl
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: onebaddj on January 19, 2013, 05:04:47 PM
My trigger has shipped!  :D. Figure i will polish everything to a mirror like finish and add a washer tocenter the sear and take up the wobble in the trigger parts and adjust the trigger to where its nice lite and crisp then loctite the adjustment and finally be done with my 2400!  For the 10th time. Lol
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 19, 2013, 05:24:06 PM
Cool, get them triggers! I like it so much I want another one but I'll wait till all you guys score. I don't want to be greedy....yea right ;D

dj- I only had to add a .020" shim to the trigger on mine. I have some very nice shim washers if you want a few.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: WyoMan on January 19, 2013, 06:34:42 PM
Quote
With the brass adjuster and spring from the Crosman Custom shop the trigger pull is very light. In my 2300KT I use it turned all the way down. When I tested with the TKO 1911 trigger I ended up about three turns up to get the same pull.
 
 :-* Excellent! lots of folks have light triggers....but a good trigger that light and safe, not as easy where the sear spring cranked up to slam the engagement  :-*
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 19, 2013, 10:56:46 PM
Early on I said that this trigger was 1/4" wide, I thought it was by looking at pictures on a website.

My apologies to the forum if I mislead you. I said that without having one. Everything from there on is first hand, with the trigger right in front of me.

All my pictures are real. They are taken with a $120.00 Olympus digital camera. I do not own or use any fancy/magic software that will allow me to create fake pictures.

I enjoy the company of every member of this forum, with exceptions. Everyone was somebody they don't like. There's probably someone that doesn't like me. That's ok, I'm a man and can except that.

 
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: KevinP on January 19, 2013, 11:18:45 PM
 :) I pulled the trigger on the trigger this am ....
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: Crosshairs on January 19, 2013, 11:40:16 PM
Cool, get them triggers! I like it so much I want another one but I'll wait till all you guys score. I don't want to be greedy....yea right ;D

dj- I only had to add a .020" shim to the trigger on mine. I have some very nice shim washers if you want a few.
After seeing yours i went and ordered another one and didn't even get the first one yet.
                                                      Mike
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: WyoMan on January 20, 2013, 12:07:13 AM
After seeing yours i went and ordered another one and didn't even get the first one yet.
                                                      Mike
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: Crosshairs on January 20, 2013, 12:34:44 AM
;D ;D ;D
I talked to soon it came in the mail today very cool trigger.
                                    Mike
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: targettgii on January 20, 2013, 05:23:15 AM
They are nice looking triggers.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: ped on January 20, 2013, 10:33:15 AM
just got confirmation that they'll ship to the uk so i'm going to get a pair of these bad boys
ped
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: blake.l on January 20, 2013, 12:39:06 PM
Nice right up and illustrations chongman :-* :-*
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: BigErn on January 20, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
I ordered one too, gonna paint mine gold! These look really cool  8) 8)
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: QB78Guy on January 21, 2013, 03:27:59 AM
I ordered one and Mike sent it out FAST, I had it in hand in 3 days. It does come with machining marks but nothing some 220 sand paper, steel wool and mag wheel polish wont take care of easily.

I added the trigger engagement set screw then cleaned and lubed everything. With the first pull of the trigger it was MILES better then the stock trigger (with a shoe), it had no slop or creep and with some adjustments it has a VERY short and crisp pull.

I did some shooting in my basement with it (40 or so pellets) and I'm very happy with the trigger, it is much better then the stock trigger with a trigger job. I can't wait for spring time so I can really test the accuracy improvements.

(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/the_gamesta/Trigger2_zps4cd81d2c.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/the_gamesta/Trigger-1_zps5c99be75.jpg)

The trigger looks much better in person, my camera and the light seems to magnify blemishes X100
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: WyoMan on January 21, 2013, 04:21:42 AM
Nice job there Q'Guy.....looks good  :-*
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: TLEVTA on January 21, 2013, 05:18:47 AM
Noob (with a PC77) question:

If I ordered one of these triggers, would I want/need the TKO delrin spring guide kit along with it? I kinda like that as well.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: Crosshairs on January 21, 2013, 05:27:38 AM
Looking good QB.  :-*
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: targettgii on January 21, 2013, 05:43:04 AM
It wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: ped on January 21, 2013, 09:34:11 PM
ordered two this aft looking forward to trying them
ped
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: BDS on January 21, 2013, 09:48:36 PM
Nice work Chongman and thx for posting so many good pics  :-*
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 21, 2013, 09:59:07 PM
Thank you Brian  :)

Once I get the trigger polishing completed I'll post another picture.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: BDS on January 21, 2013, 10:19:12 PM
Thank you Brian  :)

Once I get the trigger polishing completed I'll post another picture.

If it's gonna be polished like I think you will polish it... be sure to use a sun-filter on that camera!  :D ;D
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: onebaddj on January 21, 2013, 11:35:58 PM
Chongman thanks for the offer! I got washers here ready to roll that i used in 2 other builds. Just waiting on my trigger now!
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 7624452 on January 25, 2013, 01:18:57 AM
 I just had to order one of these out of curiosity.  I liked the pin so much that I ordered the spring kit so I could get a couple more pins.  I think the trigger is worth the money, but I wish they would include two pins.  The photos compare it to a stock trigger.  The 1911 trigger is 1/8inch and the stock trigger is built up to 3/16inch in the front.  The rear part of the stock trigger is the same width as the 1911.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 7624452 on January 25, 2013, 01:25:42 AM
 I notice that when my safety is on the trigger is pushed into the frame.  This would preclude installing the adjustment screw unless I filed down the trigger a bit.  I’m going to wait until I get my pins and see how it feels installed.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 7624452 on January 25, 2013, 01:35:04 AM
 Here is a comparison of the stock trigger and the 1911 at the point the trigger hits the sear.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: breakfastchef on January 25, 2013, 01:57:12 AM
I notice that when my safety is on the trigger is pushed into the frame.  This would preclude installing the adjustment screw unless I filed down the trigger a bit.  I’m going to wait until I get my pins and see how it feels installed.

File a small depression in the trigger under the safety. That should provide enough room for set screw adjustment.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: chongman on January 25, 2013, 03:09:50 AM
Excellent comparison pictures. Thanks for posting them.

I did like Larry, filled down the flat portion where the safety pin engages. I took off about .010" then got sidetracked polishing  ;D
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: ajhuff on January 25, 2013, 06:38:14 PM
Thanks guys. Looks so good I bought one with nothing to put it in yet!  :D

-AJ
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: Tater on January 25, 2013, 06:58:23 PM
Excellent comparison pictures. Thanks for posting them.

I did like Larry, filled down the flat portion where the safety pin engages. I took off about .010" then got sidetracked polishing  ;D

Yes, thanks for the close up pics.   :-*
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: bluefork on January 26, 2013, 08:00:52 AM
I got one of these little babies in the mail the other day. I installed it like the instructions said. I polished the contact points as well as the front of the trigger. It has a pretty nice feel to it. I like it in my new 13xx.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 7624452 on January 26, 2013, 11:59:42 PM
 I got the other pin – feels good, may need a lighter spring, can’t tell until I mount it on a gun.
Now, who’s going to make a trigger shoe for this?
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: onebaddj on January 28, 2013, 05:07:12 PM
HEY! Is the brass adjuster supposed to be on the post like in your pic or does the brass part go up inside the trigger houseing and contact the sear? I have the brass part up cause thats the way it came from the custom shop. Had to do alot of fine tuning on it last week so it did not rub inside the frame. If its supposed to be brass adjuster down that would explain why it was so tight. Lol
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: ped on January 28, 2013, 05:50:23 PM
they sit on the post mate (as in pic)or all the ones i've seen do
ped
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: 7624452 on January 28, 2013, 06:17:09 PM
HEY! Is the brass adjuster supposed to be on the post like in your pic or does the brass part go up inside the trigger houseing and contact the sear? I have the brass part up cause thats the way it came from the custom shop. Had to do alot of fine tuning on it last week so it did not rub inside the frame. If its supposed to be brass adjuster down that would explain why it was so tight. Lol
This is the way it came fron the custom shop.  The red piece is the top part of a nylon wall anchor.
Title: Re: 1911 Style Triggers for 13xx/22xx - Hold On Tight
Post by: onebaddj on January 28, 2013, 08:12:39 PM
Im gunna have to flip mine around to see if it changes anything. Right now my spring sits on the post and my brass part is upinside. It fits nicely and the triggers smooth and i can set it as lite as it gos and still cock the gun where as before is i backed it all the way off it the gun would not cock.