i was cruising the green and came across this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/message/1320787519/My+HDD+design+test+results (http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/message/1320787519/My+HDD+design+test+results)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/message/1320809016/Steven+McCann%27s+HDD+is+remarkable%21++My+review... (http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/message/1320809016/Steven+McCann%27s+HDD+is+remarkable%21++My+review...)
Very interesting idea. This morning I sent him an eMail asking to buy two units. Hopefully they should be here next week when I return.
Good ol' Steve in NC is really doing everything he can to discredit the work Steven has done. It seems that this new device might take some of his revenue away from his partnership with AoA.
Carl
i noticed that.
Quote from: quickster47 on November 09, 2011, 08:57:24 PM
Very interesting idea. This morning I sent him an eMail asking to buy two units. Hopefully they should be here next week when I return.
Good ol' Steve in NC is really doing everything he can to discredit the work Steven has done. It seems that this new device might take some of his revenue away from his partnership with AoA.
Carl
he will try to discredit anyone he feels is a threat to him
For the love of Mike....... Steve in NC stirrs up more crap. He does this in all the fourms he is a member of.
Consider the sourse, I guess he DOES feel threatened ;) Hmmmm........ that means I need to buy several and support this "other" Steve :-*
Capt. Thomas
Personally, I'm loving it after the attack he and his cronies rendered upon me and the SHD ;D But just to be fair, he does seem to be a smart fellow and his Maraurder HDD should be reliable and long lasting as it applies (or is it steals) an age old braking theory, it's just a lack of social skills that holds him back from being one of the greats in our hobby. Uhhh.....did I just say that? ???
Rich
to be honest im getting tired of steve also. evrytime someone has an idea he has to make sure everybody knows HE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA FIRST... sheeshhh
anyways.. how much are the new debouncers?? i think i might wait a couple weeks for some results to come in before i get one though
Quote from: millipede on November 11, 2011, 03:34:25 AM
to be honest im getting tired of steve also. evrytime someone has an idea he has to make sure everybody knows HE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA FIRST... sheeshhh
Methinks he drinks vinegar and water for breakfast (to get the inference, consider what feminine hygiene product uses that concoction).
Quote from: millipede on November 11, 2011, 03:34:25 AManyways.. how much are the new debouncers?? i think i might wait a couple weeks for some results to come in before i get one though
$20 via PayPal. Contact Steven by email. I am waiting until quickster47 has a chance to test it out.
zing!
Mine shipped last night and should be with me next Tuesday. Gotta a brand new box stock 2240 to use in my testing.
Carl
Quote from: quickster47 on November 11, 2011, 01:15:29 PM
Mine shipped last night and should be with me next Tuesday. Gotta a brand new box stock 2240 to use in my testing.
Carl
Looking forward to hearing your results Carl. I also bought one to try in a modified 2240. Probably have it next week.
Dave
$20 :o
how co2 would you have to use before it starts paying off?
Carl please post you results. Good to see new ideas popping up, even if some think they invented it first .......
Quote from: 1377x on November 11, 2011, 04:28:00 PM
$20 :o
how co2 would you have to use before it starts paying off?
5,483¾ shots for break even. ;)
What I would like is a device like a nitro piston to replace the hammer spring.
I find the vibration more annoying than the loss of gas from a de-bounce.
It may kill two birds with one stone meaning it will only fire once and not bounce?!
Anyone?! ;)
Here's a couple of pictures of the new HDDs I received. Have not installed and tested one yet but should get that done this Friday. The device looks good and appears to be well made. Will be interesting to see how it does in the long run.
Carl
at least they look like they are worth $20 ;)
Quote from: 1377x on November 17, 2011, 04:26:33 AM
at least they look like they are worth $20 ;)
Yep, stainless steel and not some plastic derivative or composite material.
Carl
Interesting design. Looking forward to see how it performs.
Sure does look a lot like this one. Oh well, snooze, ya loose!
Rich did you ever get to do any serious testing with the one you made? I have to admit, the resemblance is remarkable. When did you make that one?
Carl
Quote from: quickster47 on November 17, 2011, 04:23:32 AM
Here's a couple of pictures of the new HDDs I received. Have not installed and tested one yet but should get that done this Friday. The device looks good and appears to be well made. Will be interesting to see how it does in the long run.
Carl
I assume the hole is for the hammer pin, Carl.
I have two due to hit my mailbox this week.
Does the O-ring act as the brake so when it rebounds the o-ring rolls along the tapered edge to stop the pin bouncing? ???
Yes, hole is for the hammer pin. And correct, the o-ring rides up the taper and puts the brakes on. That is the theory behind how it is supposed to work. Will know more tomorrow.
Carl
hey there ya'll,
i'm very interested in this hdd. looking strictly for increased shot count, anything else is gravy.
certainly do not want to spend money on the delrin junk that someone else is selling. already been burned by that person, not going to happen again.
don't know about anybody else but, i have to be careful about my airgun expenditures. 20 bucks isn't going to break the bank, but i'd hate to waste the moolah. :-X ;)
looking forward to your reports and thanks.
later
Who the hell is Steve ;D
Quote from: Crosshairs on November 17, 2011, 11:44:13 PM
Who the heck is Steve? ;D
This ought to help you, http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/page-2 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/page-2)
Carl
I ordered one and it came in a couple days ago. Unfortunately the envelope had a nice hole it and where it slipped out. He's sending me another out. Hope to report on it some time next week. Have you tried yours yet Carl ?
Dave
Quote from: grumpy on November 18, 2011, 12:47:23 AM
I ordered one and it came in a couple days ago. Unfortunately the envelope had a nice hole it and where it slipped out. He's sending me another out. Hope to report on it some time next week. Have you tried yours yet Carl ?
Dave
Hope to get one of mine installed tomorrow and do a little testing. Will post the results and my opinion.
Carl
Quote from: quickster47 on November 17, 2011, 01:23:26 PM
Rich did you ever get to do any serious testing with the one you made? I have to admit, the resemblance is remarkable. When did you make that one?
Carl
Yes, a bit of testing on the inventors end. I made them and sent them on to him. We were just about to make a couple of adjustments, shallower taper and v-cut the delrin ring so that it would be guided by the hammer pin and also open more as a result of his testing when all of my family started to fall apart. Family first, so it was just a matter of time before someone else would build a better mousetrap and I do believe that by using the o-ring, it may have been the crowning tweak.
The picture I have says May 28th. The one above had to be re-saved to fit the 200K limit here on the board, so that one is dated yesterday. But hey, I am not sorry for me, only the guy that had asked me to make it for him. Had I been able to continue without the interruption of the inevitable circle of life, he might be making 20 bucks a pop and not someone else. I do however wish him well as it was a good idea (at least I thought so) or I would have passed in the first place. I just hope it works for all of us.
Rich
Rich, I've read good things about it but we shall be seeing first hand tomorrow. Like you, I also look for the gun being quieter since the hammer should not be bouncing all around and burping the valve.
Carl
Okay, took some time out of my overly busy day doing stuff that retired folks do and that would like my wife says, "What did you do today?" and I reply "Nothing." She then says, "I thought that's what you were doing yesterday." I answer her by saying, "That's right but I didn't get finished." ;D
Anyway I fitted one of the new HDDs to my basically box stock 2240. And when I say box stock I'm talking about the internals because externally it has a long steel breech, a complete 1701P/Marauder pistol trigger frame, a 2300S rear velocity adjuster I've been playing with, a brass muzzle brake and bolt handle from local CAPOF member arkmaker, and a red dot sighting device.
The gun is nothing special, just my workbench workhorse. Right now it is shooting JSB Diabolo Exact Jumbo Express pellets weighing 14.30 grains and delivering 420 FPS average with 5.6 FPE. As I said, nothing overly special. In fact, it might be a little bit on the light side for 2240 guns. But that's okay.
My HDD testing will be done over a couple of days and was started today. First observation was what I expected and that is the gun is definitely quieter, and this is a good sign that the HDD is doing what it was designed to do. Will report back later about the increase in shot count if there is any.
Carl
Would be nice if the powerlets would be weighed full and empty as their contents vary....
Happy testing Carl :-* :-* :-*
Quote from: Brutuz on November 18, 2011, 11:38:36 PM
Would be nice if the powerlets would be weighed full and empty as their contents vary....
Happy testing Carl :-* :-* :-*
I think from some of your testing I saw that is what you did so the last time I bought five boxes of 25 powerlets I opened them all up and sorted them by weight. I did this one night when I was totally bored out of my mind. Doing this did not help.
Carl
Carl,
2 questions...
That muzzle brake looks heavy! Does it make the gun front heavy? I usually fire off a shot or two to see how it sounds. I never did with this one, just forgot before I sent it. How does it sound? Each one seems to sound a little different from the next and since I have still not made two alike, I'm curious.
Rich
Since this device came with no instructions, it goes behind the bolt ? Thanks
Dave
Yep, the hole fits onto the hammer pin and is pushed back by the bolt when cocking the pistol.
Quote from: arkmaker on November 19, 2011, 02:59:54 PM
Yep, the hole fits onto the hammer pin and is pushed back by the bolt when cocking the pistol.
Thanks that what I thought.
Dave
Dave, Make sure you get the o-ring facing toward the back of the gun otherwise the braking principle will not work.
Rich, this gun has a similar sound to the others with HDDs. This one sounds like a pftttt. You can definitely tell the HDD is working by the sound it makes.
Most interested in how it holds up and if my shot count goes up.
Yep, the muzzle brake is a little bit heavy for this gun but so far it hasn't effected my shooting. This set of plastic grips has also been filled with liquid metal and that gives me a better balance.
Carl
Learned that if you cannot install this HDD with the heavier springs I have round here.
Dave
Quote from: grumpy on November 20, 2011, 03:41:19 AM
Learned that if you cannot install this HDD with the heavier springs I have round here.
Dave
Dave, are you saying that if your hammer spring is not the OEM one you cannot install the HDD? To me that does not make sense. Could you describe the problem you are having?
Carl
I had to remove the power adjuster and then tried 3 lighter, heavier non stock springs. Still could not cock the gun.
Quote from: grumpy on November 20, 2011, 04:30:09 AM
I had to remove the power adjuster and then tried 3 lighter, heavier non stock springs. Still could not cock the gun.
Leave the end cap off the breech. It should cock.
The HDD is just long enough to require that you remove some of the end cap material. Not to the screw hole, but some amount.
Quote from: breakfastchef on November 20, 2011, 04:39:09 AM
Leave the end cap off the breech. It should cock.
The HDD is just long enough to require that you remove some of the end cap material. Not to the screw hole, but some amount.
Will try it tomorrow and report back. Thanks
Dave
that's goood to hear, that it seems to be working.
am i wrong (still have plenty to learn) but, from everything i've read about hdd's isn't an increased shot count inherent in one, that is functioning properly?
i hope this thing really does work well and i hope the guy making them sells a blue million of them if they do. :-*
definitely keeping an eye on this. :o
easy ya'll.
Quote from: breakfastchef on November 20, 2011, 04:39:09 AM
Leave the end cap off the breech. It should cock.
The HDD is just long enough to require that you remove some of the end cap material. Not to the screw hole, but some amount.
Good point Larry. :) I guess I've been using them so long that I forget about some of that stuff. I also went to Lowes and picked up some 1/4" black plastic plugs and use them to fill the hole. Although not necessary, it does clean up the rear of the gun.
Carl
Quote from: quickster47 on November 20, 2011, 01:51:48 PM
Good point Larry. :) I guess I've been using them so long that I forget about some of that stuff. I also went to Lowes and picked up some 1/4" black plastic plugs and use them to fill the hole. Although not necessary, it does clean up the rear of the gun.
Carl
Good idea! Never thought of Ca-plugs!!!
ok, what does HDD stand for, and is this something I have to have?
I know I don't have to have anything, but here is why I ask. I have a BOSS valve i put in for more FPS, but t's eating my CO2. if I used one of these, would I increase my shot count, and keep the FPS? And how are we supposed to remove a portion of the end cap? Are all airgunners machinists?
Quote from: dpricenator on November 22, 2011, 01:40:06 AM
ok, what does HDD stand for, and is this something I have to have?
I know I don't have to have anything, but here is why I ask. I have a BOSS valve i put in for more FPS, but t's eating my CO2. if I used one of these, would I increase my shot count, and keep the FPS? And how are we supposed to remove a portion of the end cap? Are all airgunners machinists?
HDD = Hammer Debounce Device
So why is a HDD necessary? Well, glad you asked that. The problem with the Crosman 22xx CO2 guns is hammer bounce (repeatedly hitting the exhaust valve, releasing small burps of CO2) and that wastes gas. So anything you can do to keep the hammer from repeatedly striking the valve will improve (lessen) the CO2 usage. Therefore, less CO2 gets wasted when the hammer isn't bouncing into the valve multiple times per trigger pull. The design of the HDD for Crosman pistols allows the hammer to fly forward without any drag, but as soon as it starts snapping backward the HDD expands against the walls of the bolt bore and brakes it. This stops the hammer from opening the valve multiple times as it bounces back and forth between the hammer spring and valve spring tension, which obviously just wastes gas.
The HDD fits over the hammer's cocking pin, with the slot/opening facing backward. The opening/slot is what makes the device expand; the hammer snapping backwards makes the pin attempt to back out of that opening/slot and makes the body expand in the bolt bore, creating friction to slow the hammer. Forward motion isn't restricted though, so your shot velocity remains unaffected. You just get way more shots per fill since it isn't re-opening the valve after the pellet's already gone.
It's also worth mentioning that the gun is a lot quieter with the HDD installed. I actually shot a string with the HDD installed first, and then took it out to shoot "without HDD" string. The gun sounded like a cannon after I'd gotten used to the quiet volume of the gun with the HDD.
Carl
Hey Carl,
Are you planning on trying the HDD on multiple aftermarket breeches?
I'm guessing they all have slightly different variances in the bolt tube diameter and I'm curious if there is an optimum combination with this HDD or if one with a tighter fit would cause issues with its function.
I'm mainly curious on how well it works with a Cothran breech. Figured it might be an interesting additional experiment. ;)
Thanks for taking the time to post your results. I'm finding it very interesting.
m
I do happen to have a Cothran breech laying around so Imight just give it a try and see if there is any difference in the way it works. Think I will also send Steven another eMail and ask which breech he used for his testing.
Good point Mr. Slothart. :)
I'm still shooting my 2240 with the HDD and might be getting close to emptying my first powerlet. Shot count so far is about 50.
Carl
I'm all ears and reaching or the pocket book. However, I need to know if I have to modify the rear cap in order to use it. If I do, I'll have to send someone my cap or take it to a machinist.
You can do without the cap. It is only there for cosmetic reasons and serves no useful purpose other than aesthetics.
Carl
DP,
If you follow Carl's advice and take the rear cap off, send it to one of us and let us grind some off of the front of it. I will do it for you but I don't have one of those HDD's so I will need to know how much to take off. I will have to use a grinder. One of these guys that has a lathe might do a better job but they might want to charge you something too.
Cheers,
Jerry
Quote from: quickster47 on November 22, 2011, 06:04:32 PM
You can do without the cap. It is only there for cosmetic reasons and serves no useful purpose other than aesthetics.
Carl
again I am an idiot....this piece goes in the breech, not the air tube. I don't have a cap, and at some point I have got to stop putting money into a free gun I didn't need. But at this point it is my favorite gun. My QB-57 is pretty sick, but it is not as easily wielded as the 2240. Sounds like I can just toss the HDD in there and be off to the races. Thanks guys
Here are a couple of pictures. One is the breech and the opening in the rear. You can see the screw that passes through the breech. The other picture is the metal plug that comes with the Crosman Long Steel Breech kit. If you add an HDD and use the Crosman breech you can NOT use the plug unless you trim it. If your breech had no plug you are good to go.
Carl
Quote from: Crosshairs on November 17, 2011, 11:44:13 PM
Who the hell is Steve ;D
x2.
not to troll, but it matters less on who did it first, and alternatively matters more on who does it best.
theres also a saying : theft is the ultimate compliment.
not saying that implies to this case, as im just sayin, and who can say what inspires what...
who made the first tv ?
do we care ?
does it matter ?no, we got t.v. and our culture developed extremely fast due to it...and as important as it is in our lives, i doubt 1% of its devoted fallowers know who did it first.
but if i were to guess on steve, is he has a napolean complex, and doesn't know the feeling of content. (now thats trolling).
and thanks quickster for the explanations of the HDD...(to me, and HDD is a legacy harddrive, as the sdd are all teh rage)..nice pix.
i take it that this HDD is not for pump guns..
you are the man Carl, thanks
Hey Carl,
Did you notice any difference in shot count, with and without the new HDD ?
I have mine installed but its just so cold here the 2240 is on the back burner while I get my sons new Disco sorted out.
Dave
I ran through a powerlet on my 2300KT this afternoon with the new HDD. I saw a slight decrease in pellet velocity (-12 fps), but very minimal change in shot count (+4). So far, this device is neutral on my gun as the numbers were much like the 2300KT without the HDD. I still have a few things I want to try before I make a final statement, though.
Just for sake of perspective, Below is a photo of S. McCann's HDD device next to a .177 pellet. Some forum members might be curious about how small these things are.
And here is a pic of the Crosman steel breech end cap that has been ground back to the thru-hole. Grinding seems to be the easiest, because it would be hard to hold in a lathe because of the flange. If you wanted to use a lathe, you could always make a split arbor, but since it is a 3 minute job at the grinder vs making the arbor, I chose to grind. If I had 20+ to do, I would make the arbor. Anyway, grind back until you are close to the hole and you will have enough room for the HDD.
Rich
Great way to do it. I used a drill bit through the screw hole to hold the thing so I would quit burning my fingers trying to hold it. It also worked out as a good heatsink.
Carl
I just put mone in my 2300T yesterday, and I have a hell of a time cocking it now.
I guess I'll take it down and grind the plug down.
If it only gets four more shots per powerlet, it is not a worthwhile upgrade, IMO.
Quote from: Smaug on November 25, 2011, 04:10:35 PM
I just put mone in my 2300T yesterday, and I have a hell of a time cocking it now.
I guess I'll take it down and grind the plug down.
If it only gets four more shots per powerlet, it is not a worthwhile upgrade, IMO.
You can also just leave the plug out for your testing because it is only cosmetic and serves no functional purpose except to plug the hole.
Carl
So, normal shot count with a FPS range of +/- .5-10, per powerlet on a stock 2240 is around 35-40. So, if a HDD gets you 50 flat shots, then every 6th powerlet is free. (of course, that's after recouping the cost of the HDD). Add to that the benefit of less noise and fewer physical powerlet changes and I see it as a win....
Does that sound right?
Quote from: arkmaker on November 25, 2011, 04:32:45 PM
So, normal shot count with a FPS range of +/- .005, per powerlet on a stock 2240 is around 35-40. So, if a HDD gets you 50 flat shots, then every 6th powerlet is free. (of course, that's after recouping the cost of the HDD). Add to that the benefit of less noise and fewer physical powerlet changes and I see it as a win....
Does that sound right?
I also don't remember using a HDD that I got any kind of FPS increase, nor did I expect one. That is not one of the things the HDD is supposed to help/improve.
Carl
No, sorry for the confusion. That was not what I meant. I was talking about having the shots stay at a consistent FPS until the cart went phooey and the FPS dropped off the face of the earth. Point was that even if you only pick up 10 good shots per cart with a HDD installed, you're doing good. Should have just said that to start with. Sometimes (usually) I use to many words.
Apologies for the confusion. :-X
Rich
Quote from: arkmaker on November 25, 2011, 06:28:21 PM
No, sorry for the confusion. That was not what I meant. I was talking about having the shots stay at a consistent FPS until the cart went phooey and the FPS dropped off the face of the earth. Point was that even if you only pick up 10 good shots per cart with a HDD installed, you're doing good. Should have just said that to start with. Sometimes (usually) I use to many words.
Apologies for the confusion. :-X
Rich
Actually my post was not directed toward you but more to the general public that might be expecting a FPS increase from using the HDD.
Carl
i just got one of these things yesterday from Smaug here. i can barely fit the pellets into the loading spot with the hollow probe bolt im using. anybody else noticed this?
im thinking of passing it on to someone else who wants it.
Quote from: millipede on November 29, 2011, 06:58:12 PM
i just got one of these things yesterday from Smaug here. i can barely fit the pellets into the loading spot with the hollow probe bolt im using. anybody else noticed this?
im thinking of passing it on to someone else who wants it.
you could shorten the rear of the bolt if really wanted to keep it!
Quote from: millipede on November 29, 2011, 06:58:12 PM
i just got one of these things yesterday from Smaug here. i can barely fit the pellets into the loading spot with the hollow probe bolt im using. anybody else noticed this?
im thinking of passing it on to someone else who wants it.
Who made the probe you are using? I have not seen a problem with them if they are made correctly. And it should not make a difference as to the type of HDD.
Do you have a long steel breech with the rear end cap plug in it? If so, that could be the problem. It needs to be shortened or removed.
Carl
Quote from: millipede on November 29, 2011, 06:58:12 PM
i just got one of these things yesterday from Smaug here. i can barely fit the pellets into the loading spot with the hollow probe bolt im using. anybody else noticed this?
im thinking of passing it on to someone else who wants it.
You snagged it before I could, If you want to pass it along, I'll be glad to mess with it and see if i can make it work.
I'll probably take the 2300T apart again and grind down the rear plug a bit.
If millipede does the same thing, that will create more room.
I've yet to run a CO2 by the chrono and check for improved efficiency. Maybe tonight.
no i had the plug removed already
oh yeah, it's a .22 hollow probe bolt made by charles mellon. im using the stock hammer spring too in case anybody wondered
The holow probe bolt is longer than a stock bolt already, so you probably just need to grind a bit off the back of your bolt.
Here's some data for you to reference.
Carl
Quote from: millipede on November 29, 2011, 07:31:17 PM
oh yeah, it's a .22 hollow probe bolt made by charles mellon. im using the stock hammer spring too in case anybody wondered
Same thing happened to me when I had the Transformer set up with the .22 14" barrel and Charlies Flow-thru. Being that the pellets are so big and easier to handle than the .177's, I left it alone. I had enough room to sqeeze then in without ruining the pellets, but if you can grind off a tad, you'll be golden!
Here is Carl's pic that he posted a while back. Thought I might need it some day!
Rich
Opps, Carl beat me to it!! Great minds and all ;D ;D
hey there ya'll
been gone for awhile.
there hasn't been any new info on the hdd. that seems to bode not well. ??? :-X
is it not giving the shot count that many were hoping?
just didn't live up to expectations?
it seemed to have promise but, i haven't seen any further info here or on the green.
does anybody have a low down on what's going on w/ it?
thanks for any thing ya'll can give me. :-*
later
i simply haven't had time to test it. i installed it and chronied a few shots one day but a few days later i realized i had it in backwards ??? after this christmas rush i should hopefully have time
Quote from: dennismenace on December 10, 2011, 08:25:21 AM
hey there ya'll
been gone for awhile.
there hasn't been any new info on the hdd. that seems to bode not well. ??? :-X
is it not giving the shot count that many were hoping?
just didn't live up to expectations?
it seemed to have promise but, i haven't seen any further info here or on the green.
does anybody have a low down on what's going on w/ it?
thanks for any thing ya'll can give me. :-*
later
I've been using one in one of my 2240s but I have to say thus far the results have not been that spectacular. Can't say that I'm disappointed just yet.
Carl
I think I asked this before, but "Does it make it any quieter"?
Thanks,
Rich
Quote from: arkmaker on December 11, 2011, 12:26:36 AM
I think I asked this before, but "Does it make it any quieter"?
Thanks,
Rich
And I thought I answered. Yes it does make it quieter
Carl
Thanks Carl, you probably did, just I'm old........BTW: does it make it any quieter?
;D ;D
thanks for getting back carl.
yeah, i was hoping that the season might have had something to do w/ not hearing anything. the silence was a bit ominous. hopefully that thing will work out.
merry christmas and have fun.
I installed mine on my wife's 2300T a couple weeks ago. I noticed that unless the bolt is pulled sharply back, it either didn't cock at all, or didn't cock all the way.
If the bolt is pulled back and it cocks, but not all the way, then it has a hair trigger. Just touch the trigger and it discharges. So be careful guys.
Yesterday, I finally got a few minutes and the motivation at the same time and took it down to the garage. Pulled the rear breech screw, took out the breech plug, and ground down the breech plug to pretty close to the hole with the Dremel drum sander. Cleaned up the sharp edges, put it back together, and was done in 15 minutes. Didn't even need to mess around with that 0.050" front breech screw.
Works great now, though I haven't taken a shot count yet. I put a new CO2 in and shot 22 rounds, and left the tally sheet on the gun, so I'll remember to keep count. (I don't want to blast through a CO2 just to count, and waste all those pellets!)
It is noticeably quieter now. If it ups the shot count by 10 or more shots before I notice it falling off, I'll consider it a success.
It is curious that a few noticed their pistols were quieter after installing this HDD. In my experience, there was no reduction in sound. Shot count was basically the same with or without this device. All in all, this first batch is neurtal on my CO2 pistols. In fact, S. McCann has received very mixed reviews from this first design and is working on v. 2. He said that everyone that received an HDD from the first batch will get the newer design when it is finished.
Quote from: breakfastchef on December 12, 2011, 08:10:31 PM
It is curious that a few noticed their pistols were quieter after installing this HDD. In my experience, there was no reduction in sound. Shot count was basically the same with or without this device. All in all, this first batch is neurtal on my CO2 pistols. In fact, S. McCann has received very mixed reviews from this first design and is working on v. 2. He said that everyone that received an HDD from the first batch will get the newer design when it is finished.
I would have to agree with you. I noticed no decrease in sound levels in mine.
Dave
Bump
Has anyone had any verifiable results yet?
Curious for info.